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UN Navy crew's mutiny against the 'Sea Witch' captain who ' belittled' them
Telegraph UK ^ | 3/14/10 | Nick Allen

Posted on 03/14/2010 11:46:52 AM PDT by Nachum

Standing on the bridge of her warship with the ocean before her and a crew of men awaiting her command, the future looked fantastic for Captain Holly Graf, the first American to take charge of a US Navy cruiser.

She came from a respected naval family - her father was also a captain and her brother-in-law an Admiral - and she raced up through the ranks. Capt Graf seemed to have the toughness and qualities needed to take her to the very top - brilliant at seamanship, fiercely determined, and a thinker with an outstanding academic record who was at last showing that the US Navy could produce female commanders as good as their male comrades.

As she left harbour in the Mediterranean early in 2003 there was more riding on her shoulders than simply the command of the U.S.S. Winston S Churchill and her crew. She was a role model, opening the Navy's higher echelons to female officers, and helping to make up for a history of sexual and gender problems such as the Tailhook scandal in 1991 when aviators assaulted dozens of women.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bulldyke; crews; hollygraf; lesbian; mutiny; navy; un; usnavy
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1 posted on 03/14/2010 11:46:53 AM PDT by Nachum
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the first American to take charge of a US Navy cruiser.

the first American {woman?} to take charge of a US Navy cruiser.

2 posted on 03/14/2010 11:49:26 AM PDT by kittycatonline.com
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An abusive captain does not equal mutiny. The writer is quite biased. I could only get through half the article.
3 posted on 03/14/2010 11:53:14 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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“UN Navy crew’s mutiny...”

And apparently it was crewed by the UN.

They need to fire the proofreaders at this particular paper.


4 posted on 03/14/2010 11:55:10 AM PDT by DemforBush (Somebody wake me when sanity has returned to the nation.)
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The "word" is that she was also a lousy ship handler, and quite technically incompetent.

IMHO, that ought to be mentioned, along with her "personality" problems. It's possible they were a cover for her very poor seamanship. (I.E., if that's still a word ... if not try sealesbianship.)

5 posted on 03/14/2010 11:57:18 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Obama? Definitely eligible to be Prime Minister of the UK.)
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From what I've heard through people involved who have written about it, Captain Graf had a sewer mouth and no respect for her subordinates. She made a junior officer sit in the corner with a dunce cap at one time. She angered enough senior petty officers that THEY dropped a dime to the complaint line. If she were male, she would have been relieved of command. Captain Graf is unfit to command American sailors, who are not stupid peasants.
6 posted on 03/14/2010 11:57:45 AM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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... brilliant at seamanship ...

Nick Allen, you lie!

7 posted on 03/14/2010 11:58:11 AM PDT by Ken522
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“They need to fire the proofreaders at this particular paper.”

They might have already.


8 posted on 03/14/2010 11:58:23 AM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: Nachum

Wow, misleading article title, gross mistakes in the text - the Telegraph started hiring from The Sun?


9 posted on 03/14/2010 11:58:32 AM PDT by kingu (Favorite Sticker: Lost hope, and Obama took my change.)
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"...last showing that the US Navy could produce female commanders as good as their male comrades."

Well, maybe not quite as good as most. She and the other "Captain Queeg" just didn't measure up, now, did they?

10 posted on 03/14/2010 11:58:34 AM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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It’s not mentioned in this particular article, but Graf is supposed to have thrown coffee cups - the ceramic mug kind - at one or more junior officers. There is also the claim that she humiliated a Chief, a Master Chief, by putting him in “Time Out” in the middle of a control room for several hours.


11 posted on 03/14/2010 12:00:31 PM PDT by DemforBush (Somebody wake me when sanity has returned to the nation.)
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OTOH, she could bery well have been promotes to that position for the sole purpose to prove women shouldn’t be captains of ships. They knew for years what she was like and rushed to give her a ship. Why her and why at that time?


12 posted on 03/14/2010 12:02:07 PM PDT by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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I read in a prior story about when a new officer relieved her from a prior ship, as soon as that officer said the word “relieved” the entire ship cheered.

Sorry but I don’t think it’s just a few people that have it in for her. AS the author would like us to believe. I read prior stories about her behavior towards lower officers and I believe her style of command, training and motivation revolved around fear, humiliation, and yelling expletives at people. That’s what she think passes for being a captain. To each their own, but combine it with a “I’m never wrong, people are out to get me” attitude and what happened to her is not an unexpected outcome.


13 posted on 03/14/2010 12:02:31 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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I don’t know about the navy; but, I’ve seen her type in the Army. They ‘crack up’ under mild pressure and blame subordinates.

Its partially an organizational problem, because this attitude comes from the top down. In the Army, the crack up comes at the O-3 level, company commander. It is at this level that responsibility is not matched by control over your subordinates (for example, your senior NCO’s are ‘rated’ by your boss, instead of yourself). Some people just could not handle the pressure.

However, many people did cope with it and were fine leaders, so I’m not excusing her actions at all.


14 posted on 03/14/2010 12:03:35 PM PDT by lacrew (Barack Obama is always the least experienced most condescending guy in the room. (Rush))
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“She was a role model, opening the Navy’s higher echelons to female officers, and helping to make up for a history of sexual and gender problems such as the Tailhook scandal in 1991 when aviators assaulted dozens of women.”

Some role model she proved to be.


15 posted on 03/14/2010 12:03:51 PM PDT by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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It hasn’t “just been her”. She is one of six ship commanders to be relieved in the last year. 5 are guys.


16 posted on 03/14/2010 12:03:55 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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The investigation report was posted here last week. She repeatedly ‘disciplined’ her XO and other junior officers in front of the crew. Discipline and behavior correction included calling them f’n idiots.


17 posted on 03/14/2010 12:06:48 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Nachum
No superior officer weather they be male or female is allowed to physically hit a jr officer or enlisted person to get them to obey an order. They can throw you in the brig for disobeying an order, but if that superior officer hits an individual, that officer damn well better have a real good explanation.
18 posted on 03/14/2010 12:09:00 PM PDT by JimC214
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Keelhaul her!


19 posted on 03/14/2010 12:09:33 PM PDT by Bon mots
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Most men in positions of power realize that there are rules for dealing with subordinates, some thinga are instinctive "fighting words", likely to trigger rage in other men.

I've heard women say things that would trigger a physical fight if said by one man to another, expecting to be protected by their sex.

I just don't think that most women should be in positions of absolute command, it is contrary to human nature.

20 posted on 03/14/2010 12:12:38 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT,NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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