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1 posted on 03/10/2010 12:30:14 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

All of DB units are 10xlog. Is this new?


2 posted on 03/10/2010 12:33:29 AM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: neverdem

With all due respect my knowledge was best served in the RADAR and overall power distribution industry.


3 posted on 03/10/2010 12:36:22 AM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: neverdem

what quantitative effect does water vapor have, and how was water vapor accounted for in this data?


4 posted on 03/10/2010 12:56:14 AM PST by wafflehouse (RE-ELECT NO ONE !)
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To: neverdem

Greenhouse gases comprise 2% of the entire atmosphere. Carbon dioxide is about 3.5% of the greenhouse gases and human produced CO2 is about 3.5% of that. That means that human are responsible for a little over .12% of greenhouse gases. Hugh and series!


5 posted on 03/10/2010 12:57:41 AM PST by Thickman (Obama - President Ubiquitous (a.k.a. P.U.))
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To: neverdem

This is the best explanation of the stupidity I have seen:

Even if all 6.8 billion humans on Earth gave up ALL forms of transportation, ALL forms of industrial activity, ALL forms of energy production and even reverted back to a Stone Age state before the discovery of fire, living in cold damp caves as hunter gatherers and eating raw food, bearing in mind that most of us would die of starvation and/or hypothermia, we could only reduce overall atmospheric CO2 content by about 4.1 parts per million per year against a supposed average background level of 385 ppm. That is assuming of course that all anthropogenic CO2 ends up in the atmosphere and remains there for a significant length of time.


8 posted on 03/10/2010 1:38:08 AM PST by flash2368
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To: neverdem

I think it’s bunk, in the first line he states “The greenhouse gasses keep the Earth 30° C warmer than it would otherwise be without them in the atmosphere” - What is the “than it would otherwise be” temp? Does he have data to show what “normal” is?
- he may have some sort of point if our CO2 output was also logarithmic but I don’t know what point he could possibly make.


10 posted on 03/10/2010 2:14:49 AM PST by WorkerbeeCitizen ( If Obama is the answer, it must have been a stupid question!!)
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To: neverdem

Damn those termite farts. However, if you start with a faulty premise, your data fails to get more impressive just because you can mathematically apply amplifiers to a non existent issue.


11 posted on 03/10/2010 2:24:47 AM PST by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: neverdem
"The pre-industrial level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere was 280 ppm."

It seems that so much pre-industrial wood burning would have produced much more than is produced now.


12 posted on 03/10/2010 2:31:59 AM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: neverdem

How can grown people be so damn stupid?? ( Everyone one knows this nation ceased to exist over 150 yrs ago, because of widespread tobacco use.)


15 posted on 03/10/2010 2:57:19 AM PST by Waco (Wanna buy an FBI file,,,See Hillary, she's got 900 of them..)
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To: neverdem

This logarithmic fall-off in the effect of atmospheric CO2 is also discussed by Gerlich and Tscheuschner in their paper Falsification Of The Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects Within The Frame Of Physics.

From the Physics Conclusion,

“The wavelength of the part of radiation, which is absorbed by carbon dioxide is only a small part of the full infrared spectrum and does not change considerably by raising its partial pressure.”

In other words, more CO2 has little effect, since what CO2 is in the atmosphere is already absorbing most of the energy in the fraction of the infrared spectrum that CO2 can affect. More CO2 just increases absorption of an increasingly smaller amount of radiant energy, hence the logarithmic fall off.

That is a very worthwhile paper on this subject, by the way, though very technical.

Falsification Of The Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects Within The Frame Of Physics
http://arxiv.org/abs/0707.1161


20 posted on 03/10/2010 3:49:41 AM PST by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: neverdem
The more CO2 you put into the atmosphere, the less of an effect it will have on warming. As opposed to the incorrect linear view where the warming effect is assumed to be directly proportional to the increase in CO2.
21 posted on 03/10/2010 3:52:43 AM PST by mikey_hates_everything
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Beam me to Planet Gore !

23 posted on 03/10/2010 4:31:10 AM PST by steelyourfaith (Warmists as "traffic light" apocalyptics: "Greens too yellow to admit they're really Reds."-Monckton)
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To: neverdem

“The greenhouse gasses keep the Earth 30° C warmer than it would otherwise be without them in the atmosphere”

Says who?


25 posted on 03/10/2010 5:18:26 AM PST by RoadTest (Wealth isn't obscene. Poverty is obscene. - Thomas (man of few but dynamite words) Sowell)
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To: neverdem

Excellent article. The comments are worth reading also.


35 posted on 03/11/2010 12:38:49 AM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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To: neverdem

btt


36 posted on 03/11/2010 6:19:38 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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