[metmom]

It works both ways. Now I can turn around and ask you, why *shouldn't* gay couples be allowed to be parents? If you say no, then I can call you a nanny stater etc...

Fine. Call me a nanny stater. NO! Homosexual couples should not be allowed to adopt. There is nothing stopping them from being parents should they decide to someone arrange procreation on their own, but that's a whole 'nother issue.

The issue is far more complicated than what passes for modern conservatism gives it credit for and boils down to "how do you create a real, wholesome society in a world where the conventional rules don't work anymore?"

No, it doesn't, because that just smoke and mirrors to cover up the social decay that is brought about by the dissolution of moral values.

You CANNOT have a wholesome society without conventional rules. It's the conventional rules which make society wholesome.

You are seriously on the wrong forum. Here, this one would suit you much better.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/

[MrB]

What you’re seeing is the difference between a conservative, one that understands the basis of a stable society,

and an anything goes libertarian.

[ketsu]

You CANNOT have a wholesome society without conventional rules. It's the conventional rules which make society wholesome.

Now we have something to agree on. We *need conventional rules*. The problem is that society is changing so fast that the old rules don't work anymore. It's easy to enforce rules in a small town where everyone knows everyone. In a society where everyone's bouncing from city to city, much less so. What can we do to come up with a set of rules that work? That's the kind of conservative manifesto I want to see.