Posted on 03/09/2010 12:18:39 PM PST by Kaslin
So, you think the problems of the inner cities would be solved if more of the gang bangers were homosexuals?You'd be surprised at the number of gang-bangers "on the down low". If they got married...
Yup. I posted fact in 53. Instead they come back with anecdotal crap.
Is that why you wish to destroy marriage? Because you blame it for something that went wrong in your own life?
Then why are you advocating for gay marriage?
You CANNOT have a wholesome society without conventional rules. It's the conventional rules which make society wholesome.Now we have something to agree on. We *need conventional rules*. The problem is that society is changing so fast that the old rules don't work anymore. It's easy to enforce rules in a small town where everyone knows everyone. In a society where everyone's bouncing from city to city, much less so. What can we do to come up with a set of rules that work? That's the kind of conservative manifesto I want to see.
Three?! Your basing your opinion on the PUBLIC BEHAVIOR of THREE homosexual couples?
Single parents? More than I want to think of.
Are you saying that of all the single parents you've known that you haven't known three good ones?
Again, what is your criteria for what is good and what is bad?
The issue is not marriage. The issue is making the issue about marriage. The problem is not marriage, it's marriage's abject failure as an institution.
You've actually said NOTHING here.
Marriage hasn't failed, it's been around for six thousand years and it works fine, some people don't have the committment to it that they should, but that's not the fault of marriage.
But again, why are you talking about why homosexuals should be parents? NOBODY is saying that they can't be.
Yep, I guess they want to learn about sodomy BEFORE they get to prison.
Then why are you advocating for gay marriage?I'm not. I'm saying that throwing conniptions about gay marriage begs the real question of how modern conservatism and modern families should actually work.
Maybe they look at prison like a sexual smorgasbord.
DUH!!! If you’re making up new rules, they’re not conventional rules.
You can’t have conventional rules and new ones at the same time.
Despite what any lamebrain law may say two homosexuals do not qualify as parents. A man and a woman do,as both the Bible and common sense point out. That said, I have known one lesbian with two daughters. Whether her lover was involved in raising them I don’t know. That was many years ago. That society is even debating the issue, when common decency and common sense provide us with a resounding NO for an answer, points out how pathetically ignorant and sick our culture has become.
The old rules always worked just fine. We didn’t need a manifesto. The rules were the same from one town to the next, from the farms to the high-rises. we don’t need your progressive confusion to set things straight, so to speak.
We don’t need new conventional rules. We have some here that work just fine.
Exodus 20
1 And God spoke all these words, saying,
2 “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
3 “You shall have no other gods before me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, 10but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. 11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land that the LORD your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor’s.”
Moral relativism has ALWAYS been at the core of libertarianism.
What can we do to come up with a set of rules that work? That's the kind of conservative manifesto I want to see.
The same moral principles that have worked for six thousand years still work today and conservatives already know this.
Getting back to old conventional rules is what’s going to work and make marriage work.
Bet rid of this homosexual marriage nonsense which is Satan’s attempt to destroy this culture, and get back to traditional male/female marriage.
The best thing to do to fix the problem is not redefine marriage but to teach people how to make marriage and families work.
Gay marriage is not a family.
It’s two guys shacking up.
Three?! Your basing your opinion on the PUBLIC BEHAVIOR of THREE homosexual couples?Marriage *has* failed. What passes today is no longer marriage, it's serial monogamy, which is significantly different.Are you saying that of all the single parents you've known that you haven't known three good ones?
Marriage hasn't failed, it's been around for six thousand years and it works fine, some people don't have the committment to it that they should, but that's not the fault of marriage.
Back to the subject, yes my sample has significant selection bias, both for the fact that irresponsible homosexuals don't cohabit, don't adopt and by the nature of the sexual behavior don't have children.
On the other hand children are a natural product of heterosexual sex(and quite easy to make all things considered). Which means that it's actually easier for irresponsible heterosexuals to have children than the opposite.
Which brings us right back to the topic I've been advocating, how can a modern society be organized to produce stable, committed two parent households? The current way doesn't work.
“The problem is that society is changing so fast that the old rules don’t work anymore.”
I can just hear ol’ Uncle Screwtape whispering this...
You can’t have conventional rules and new ones at the same time.You don't understand the meaning of convention. Look it up.
That’s “Get rid of”...not “Bet rid of” ...
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