Romney: It's ok to change your mind, Obama did (a closeted Rat defends Obama, abortion)

The Hill, Washington, DC ^ | 2010-03-09 | Jordan Fabian

[rabscuttle385]

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney (R) on Tuesday defended his decision to change his mind on abortion when he was governor.

Romney campaigned as a pro-abortion rights candidate and maintained that position throughout much of his governorship. But the 2008 GOP presidential candidate said that he had a change of heart because of a bill that was considered that would have allowed human embryo research.

Republican and Democratic opponents of Romney used his switch on the campaign trail to paint him as a flip-flopper who has no core principles.

But Romney, who is presumed to be a 2012 presidential hopeful, said on "Imus in the Morning" broadcast by Fox Business Network:

If you change your mind on abortion, which I did when I was governor, you’re going to have a lot of people not happy with you. That was certainly the case. Once you get a narrative it’s hard to shake it. Just recognize that it’s part of the game of politics.

The ex-governor later said that President Barack Obama also changed his mind when he decided to send more troops to Afghanistan:

He changed his mind and that’s a good thing. As you recall, he was the most anti-war, get out no matter what guy in Iraq among all the Democratic nominees. And he won, I think in part, because of that posture. Becoming president he agreed with John McCain and President Bush and has kept our troops there. Actually having voted against the surge in Iraq, he is applying it to the surge in Afghanistan. I give him credit where he recognizes he was wrong.

Many on the left attacked Obama's decisions to send more troops to fight al-Qaeda and the Taliban and Afghanistan and many on the right hit the administration for setting a timetable for withdrawal.

Obama criticized the Iraq War on the campaign trail but said the U.S. should focus its strategy on Afghanistan.

Should Romney enter the 2012 race and Obama run for reelection, look for this argument to reemerge.

[byteback]

The day after the midterm elections, Gov. Mitt Romney, reflecting on the GOP's punishing losses, issued a clarion call to conservatives: "We must return to the common-sense Reagan Republican ideals."

Three days later, at a State House Veterans Day ceremony, Romney invoked the former president again, saying, "As Ronald Reagan once said, 'I have seen four wars during my lifetime and none of them began because America was too strong."'

And then last Friday, asked by a Fox News interviewer whether he was running for president, Romney said he was giving it some serious thought, because the stakes were so high. "We're going to have to make sure that we have the kind of Reagan optimism that America's looking for," he said.

Romney's repeated references to the nation's 40th president in two weeks illustrate how the governor, as he builds toward a 2008 presidential bid, is increasingly trying to cast himself in the Reagan mold — as a patriotic, small-government conservative from outside the Beltway who's bent on repelling taxes, moral relativism, and foreign threats.

Like many Republicans, Romney has long described Reagan as one of his heroes, but as the governor's White House hopes have gained steam, his admiration has turned to emulation: Romney seems to be channeling the former president's conservative convictions, his hopeful message, and even his witty, folksy style of connecting with voters from South Carolina to Southern California. http://www.deseretnews.com

He just said that Don't Ask don't tell seems like a silly policy. So gays can serve if they stay in the closet? Either they can serve or not or maybe in some roles but not others. Actually it's being studied as we speak. I would still consider Cheney a Conservative.

Romney has consistently said that he doesn't want to be a partisan politician. Saying he was against the Contract with America as a tactic doesn't mean he disagreed with most of the ideas.

You can twist any comment how you wish and I really doubt you bother to read the more detailed explanations. I'm sure to some everything needs to be in bumper sticker form for them to grasp. If you take the time to read up you will see that Reagan wasn't as black and White as you think.

If you want to answer the other question such as why does Mitt want to be President he does have a book coming out. I'm not here to do all your research.

[ansel12]

LOL, so which line in my post did you refute?

[Antoninus]

He’s not a flip-flopper. He’s a lying weasel liberal.

[byteback]

All of them.

[ansel12]

None of them.

Can you be a little more specific by pointing out a couple?

[Little Ray]

The problem, Mitt, ol’ boy, is WHEN you decided to change your mind. It looks more like opportunism (”I need to be pro-life to have a hope in heck in the GOP Presidential Primary”), than an actual, sincere change or heart.

And NO ONE believes that President Obama has had a sincere change of heart on the WoT... He’s just trying to head off disaster in his administration.

[ansel12]

What about this one?
“Why did Romney drop his Republican registration in the 1980s in revulsion against President Reagan?”

or this one?
“Why was Romney aggressively pro abortion for all of his adult life, why was Romney quietly doing fund raising for Planned parenthood?”

this one?
“Why from 1989 until he became a Republican again in 1993, did Romney only donate to liberal Democrat races around the nation and again, actually fund raise for liberal Democrat candidates against Republican opponents?”

or this?
“Why was Romney anti Jesse Helms, why was Romney anti-Contract with America?”

how about this one?
“Why was Romney so aggressively pro-homosexual agenda, including full homosexuality in the military?”

this one?
“What accounts for Romney’s uncontrollable impulse to lie about anything and everything, even unrelated to politics?”

this?
“Romney has no real history in political office, he won one race and governed in a manner that you describe as the opposite of what he believed, he did so poorly that he left with a 34% approval rating and turned his seat over to the Democrats, what could be driving him to currently devote his life and fortune to being President, he clearly has no particular ideology if you are correct, of course he could have dark anti conservative, reasons if one actually looks at who he is and has been ALL of his life.”

this one is important, can you explain it?
“How did Mitt Romney so thoroughly conceal any conservative beliefs or impulses in his public and personal life until he started running for the 2008 primary, that is almost 60 years of living and it was during the pro life movement, the Reagan Revolution, the 1994 Republican Revolution, the gun rights fights, wars, the Clinton years, how and why was he always on the wrong side?”

[byteback]

Your point was that these statements were because Romney wasn't Conservative. I just showed you that your so called proof wasn't proof at all.

He didn't drop his registration because of Reagan
He wasn't anti Jesse Helms
He doesn't have an uncontrollable impulse to lie about anything and everything, even unrelated to politics..PROVE THAT HE DOES
He was not aggressively pro-homosexual agenda
And if you bothered to read the abortion points have no revevance to this argument since I said "besides abortion". (That was at the top).

Do I need to start charging you for schooling?

I'm not even campaigning for anyone at this point but I see all this silly stuff posted on candidates which I know to be not true. If I asked you why Palin is a quitter could refute that she is? That's all I'm trying to make a point of here.

[Little Ray]

Romney has a record as governor of Massachusetts, and, from a conservative point of view, it isn’t a good one. We know what he’s done. In light of that why should we give a d@mn what he says?

[ansel12]

Republican Mitt Romney, son of Republican Presidential candidate George and his Republican Senatorial candidate mother, Lenore, dropped his Republican registration during the the Reagan Presidency, as he says, “I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I’m not trying to return to Reagan-Bush.”.
This is in keeping with George Romney and his son Mitt having protested the Goldwater convention as too conservative by storming off the convention floor.

Mitt Romney was anti-Jesse Helms,”I’m not a partisan politician. My hope is that, after this election, it will be the moderates of both parties who will control the Senate, not the Jesse Helmses.”

Mitt Romney has been aggressively pro-homosexual agenda, example, “One issue I want to clarify concerns President Clinton’s “don’t ask, don’t tell, don’t pursue” military policy. I believe that the Clinton compromise was a step in the right direction. I am also convinced that it is the first of a number of steps that will ultimately lead to gays and lesbians being able to serve openly and honestly in our nation’s military. That goal will only be reached when preventing discrimination against gays and lesbians is a mainstream concern, which is a goal we share.”

As far as being a compulsive liar, it is here is a sampling. Claiming that he marched with Martin Luther King or that “Reagan was adamantly pro-choice”, or that he is a gun owner, or a hunter, or that “I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam”, or that Reagan was his “hero”, or that he was a student when Mormons dropped their racial barriers against the black race, or that he wasn’t running a “sanctuary mansion”, or his many other lies and deceits.

[ansel12]

Why didn't you ask about this one?

“Why from 1989 until he became a Republican again in 1993, did Romney only donate to liberal Democrat races around the nation and again, actually fund raise for liberal Democrat candidates against Republican opponents?”

Or his failed single win in politics as a Governor when he lost the normally Republican seat, by leaving office with a loser's 34% approval?

I still want you to explain how a good conservative could conceal it for 60 years.

“How did Mitt Romney so thoroughly conceal any conservative beliefs or impulses in his public and personal life until he started running for the 2008 primary, that is almost 60 years of living and it was during the pro life movement, the Reagan Revolution, the 1994 Republican Revolution, the gun rights fights, wars, the Clinton years, how and why was he always on the wrong side?”

[byteback]

Romney's PAC

The federal PAC’s contributions include $9,000 in early "seed money" to U.S. Senator-Elect Scott Brown, who went on to win a special election in Massachusetts to become the state’s first Republican Senator in decades. The PAC also gave $5,000 each to Senator Jim DeMint of South Carolina, Republican Whip Eric Cantor (VA-07), Missouri Representative Roy Blunt who is running for U.S. Senate, Jim Tedisco who ran in a special election to represent New York’s 20th congressional district, and David Harmer who ran in a special election to represent California’s 10th congressional district.

The federal PAC also contributed $1,000 each to the “Undaunted Dozen,” a group of House Republicans targeted by the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) for their votes against the $800 billion stimulus bill. In addition, the PAC contributed the maximum $6,800 to the successful campaign of New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, and $5,000 each to the successful campaigns of Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell, Virginia Lieutenant Governor Bill Bolling, Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, and Virginia Delegate Barbara Comstock.

[ansel12]

Are you drunk or something?

You haven’t answered anything from post 50 and 51, or even the original post 23.

You should at least acknowledge that devastating answer in post 50 to that dishonest nonsense that you claimed in post 48.

[byteback]

Your post didn't prove your claims. Go back and re-read them.

I said I wouldn't play this game of you post then I discredit , then you post something else, change your stance and it's never ending. I played along enough to make my point. You have not tied your quotes to your claims in a way that logically proves any of them.

[ansel12]

I haven’t changed a stance and I have posted the quotes, why don’t you quit lying and slip sliding all over the place and focus on pointing out something that isn’t true in those posts.

If you are capable of honesty then focus on this, what is not true in post 23, or 50, or 51?

[byteback]

Ok last one unless you give me a sourse for yourclaim.

renounced the Republican party in the 1980s because of President Reagan.

[ansel12]

Why do you think that he renounced the Republican party during the Reagan Revolution, re registered Republican in 1993 after Clinton defeated Reagan’s vice president and having voted for Paul Tsongas in the primary and funding and fund raising for Democrats, and then campaigned on the fact that he had NOT been a Reagan Republican, and did not want to return to Reagan-Bush?

[big'ol_freeper]

I have three toilets in my house (don’t tell the census bureau). One was renamed Obama and I’ve recently named one Romney. The third is still awaiting a name.

This way I can piss on Romney and piss on Obama (etc.).

[stephenjohnbanker]

Sounds fair.

[FTJM]

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