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To: Cheburashka
The Anti-federalists were d___less wonders who pouted and whined and stamped their tiny little feet,

lol. Thanks for showing your true colors.

but never came up with their alternative, their “Anti-constitution” to give it a name for purposes of argument. Since they never came up with their Anti-constitution that left only two choices: The Constitution or nothing, i.e. disunion.

That's nowhere near the truth. For one, we already had a government. Rejection of the Constitution would not have returned them to a state of nature. It would have been just another day under the Articles of Confederation.

The "alternative" to the Constitution is what sent the delegates to Philly in the first place. They were asked to make specific changes to the Articles, but certain delegates, particularly Hamilton and Madison, already had their plan to adopt a new, centralized, national government, and so they seized the opportunity, showing up with a draft already written.

The Anti-federalists have produced squat for 223 consecutive years.

What the antifederalists produced was an accurate critique of the national system created by the Constitution, and some good predictions of the abuses that would follow.

Anyway, I find your hostility and name-calling amusing. Thanks for the entertainment.

34 posted on 03/05/2010 6:07:59 AM PST by Huck (Q: How can you tell a party is in the majority? A: They're complaining about the fillibuster.)
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To: Huck
I find your hostility and name-calling amusing

Review your own comments directed at John Jay and Gov. Randolph. Your first resort is the ad-hominem. Keep laughing. It suits those who substitute emotion for thought.

37 posted on 03/05/2010 1:19:23 PM PST by Jacquerie (It is only in the context of Natural Law that our Declaration & Constitution form a coherent whole)
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To: Huck
What the antifederalists produced was an accurate critique of the national system created by the Constitution, and some good predictions of the abuses that would follow.

If their criticisms had been accurate they would have continued to point them out after the Constitution was ratified. They weren't and they didn't. Once it was in operation they realized that their criticisms were wrong. They shut up. They wanted everyone to forget they had been so wrong. I can't say I blame them. Who wants to admit they were that wrong?


Rejection of the Constitution would not have returned them to a state of nature. It would have been just another day under the Articles of Confederation.

True. And the rejection of the Constitution would have started the clock ticking on when the several states would have sent notice to the moribund central government that they were seceding. Six or less, maybe a lot less. They already had experience with breaking ties with unsatisfactory governments that wouldn't reform themselves, they got rid of one twelve years earlier. Unlike that prior one, which had a serious army, this one was so weak it couldn't even have put up a fight.
38 posted on 03/05/2010 4:14:57 PM PST by Cheburashka (Stephen Decatur: you want barrels of gunpowder as tribute, you must expect cannonballs with it.)
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