No Allies -- But Plenty of Enemies

Townhall.com ^ | 3/4/2010 | Victor Davis Hanson

[Servant of the Cross]

VDH ping.

[Le Chien Rouge]

Mutually Assured Destruction and strong presidential leadership who KNEW damn well what the west faced across the iron curtain were also key to keeping the Soviet Union in check.

[GeronL]

Saying we were neutral is not what pissed them off. Announcing that the UK needed to negotiate did, there is nothing to negotiate.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

I’d say The Falkland Islands are “settled science.”

[ScottinVA]

What a difference a period of 28 years make. Back in 1982, Reagan, without hesitation, backed our great ally, the British. The poseur who currently occupies the White House is not a believer in American strength, but the mistaken concept of social justice on an international scale. His stance vis-a-vis the Falklands issue evidences that.

[ScottinVA]

make=makes

[GeronL]

There is “consensus” on the Islands that they stay British

[joe fonebone]

Let me put this in perspective....britain has colonies all over the world, yet does not have a navy capable of defending them...so, they go to nato ( nato is in reality the United States ) to get nato to defend the colonies it cannot....sorry, but I have to disagree with the whole premise...if you have colonies that need defending, then you better have armed forces capable of doing just that...projection of power is one thing, but doing another country’s dirty work is another.....

[Servant of the Cross]

LOL. Good one. Falkland Islands:
"We are not going to debate this any more".
"Stare Decisis!"
"Settled Law of the Land!"

[Controlling Legal Authority]

Were there any US ships or other NATO country ships involved in the Falkland War?

[Servant of the Cross]

There is consensus of the people on the island that they stay British.

Okay, if you don't want to do it 'for the Brits' ... (ignoring centuries of our partnership for defending freedom in the world; their problems with their navy are due to current liberal weenie sensitivities (gone wobbly, not unlike our current administration) with the ruling government but what if another "Thatcher" arises again?) .... how about for the free people of the island?

[joe fonebone]

No........britain had it’s own aircraft carrier, which it no longer does....britain had a force that could be used for projection, which it no longer does....

[Interesting Times]

Somewhat more concisely: Obama consistently opposes America’s best interests.

[LibLieSlayer]

Maybe President Palin will use some American assets to temper the Argentine delusion.

LLS

[agere_contra]

We do have a Navy capable of defending them. Just for instance: we have SSNs capable of targeting any unit in the Argentinian fleet just by listening to their prop noise.

But when we - as a first resort mind you - try to build diplomatic consensus about the settled sovereignty of the Falklands: the idea being to head off a war rather than nuke Argentina down to the bedrock - your Muslim-in-Chief instantly washes his hands of the matter.

That tit in the White House just made war more likely.

[GonzoGOP]

I’d say The Falkland Islands are “settled science.”

On FR? Heck there is a thousand thread post around here someplace debating if the Civil War settled anything. I don't think this site attracts the personality type that accepts settled. We were the annoying kids who kept asking our parents "but why?".

As for the Falklands both England and Argentina are in much worse shape militarily than they were back in the 1980s. The Royal Navy is a rusted shadow of the force that sailed to the South Atlantic on Margaret Thatchers orders. And the Argentine force is much smaller than it was back in the first Falklands war. And according to Jane's defense weakly their training isn't up to the level of class one militaries.

The proper response from the state department shouldn't have been a declaration of neutrality, but a copy of the face palm guy sent to both the British and Argentine governments. With the caption "Don't you socialists with bankrupt governments have better things to do?"

[Eric in the Ozarks]

The Brits don’t really need a surface fleet to steam ten thousand miles for a toe to toe with the Argentines.
One whiff of a UK submarine and the Argie navy will become a non-factor.

[Old Teufel Hunden]

"Let me put this in perspective....britain has colonies all over the world, yet does not have a navy capable of defending them...so, they go to nato ( nato is in reality the United States ) to get nato to defend the colonies it cannot....sorry, but I have to disagree with the whole premise..."

I said basically this same thing in another thread and got pounded for it. Someone else in this thread mentioned what Reagan did in 1982. In 1982, there was a lot of shuttle diplomacy going on by Alexander Haig to settle this situation. There were people in the Reagan administration that was siding with Argentina at that time. I would be in favor of doing what Reagan did in 1982 which is barely a little more than what we are doing now. Other than that, you are correct. If you have colonies all over the world better have a military in place to defend your interests.

This whole tiff is over oil exploration. Perhaps we can pledge military support for a slice of that oil. That would get the left really up in arms. Fighting a true war for oil...

[joe fonebone]

I agree with you about the a$$hole in the white house...that idiot has done more damage to the relations this country has with it’s allies than even carter did...but, if you have worldwide colonies, you need a world class deep water navy....britain used to have just that, but no longer...perhaps a change of leadership is needed over there as much as it is needed over here...