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To: Danae

Let’s use the same terminology that the Leftists used on us.
It was called “the nuclear option” when Republicans
considered this option for getting Fed. judges passed
through the senate. Now it is the nicey-nice term
of reconciliation. I hate those bastards.


103 posted on 03/03/2010 9:50:09 AM PST by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever)
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To: Doulos1

Continue to be astounded by the arrogance! The American people have spoken, we do not want this!

What exactly did Obama and Crew think of a million American citizens taking time out of their lives to March on Washington? Did they perceive it as a common, everday kind of occurrence? What of the grillings that took place at Town Halls? Of recent election results? Of the rise of a truly grass roots TEA pary? Of Sarah Palin’s popularity?

So now I think back to what candidate Obama said of creating a some sort of civil defense force as well funded and armed as our US Army. I think back to it and of all that has unfolded in recent months and really do not belive it to be too far of a stretch to expect Obama driving this country into a large scale conflict within our own borders.


108 posted on 03/03/2010 10:11:00 AM PST by Made In The USA (Home Depot should begin stocking up on pitchforks and torches.)
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To: Doulos1
Now it is the nicey-nice term of reconciliation. I hate those bastards.

A few days ago, Pelosi tried desperately to change the term "Reconciliation" to "Simple Majority". RAT bastards.

116 posted on 03/03/2010 10:35:40 AM PST by nutmeg (Rush Limbaugh & Sarah Palin agree: NO third parties! Take back the GOP)
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To: Doulos1
The nuclear option is getting rid of the filibuster (i.e., blowing up the existing rules). Reconciliation is part of the rules and, like it or not, has been used on multiple occasions.
144 posted on 03/03/2010 11:25:37 AM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: Doulos1

The “nuclear option” was something else entirely. It refers to changing the Senate rules to remove the filibuster option completely. Reconciliation is a manuever used to modify or “reconcile” a bill that has already been passed by the House and Senate and only requires a simple majority vote because debate is limited by Senate rule to 20 hours. It’s used fairly often. (Maybe once every couple of years or so.) For example, the Bush tax cuts were passed using reconciliation.

The big debate about it’s use here is because of what’s called the “Byrd rule.” The Byrd rule, (named after Robert Byrd,) says basically that reconciliation can not be used for making changes to bills when the changes would increase the deficit. The problem is that the determination of whether the reconciliation bill violates the Byrd Rule is made by the Presiding Officer of the Senate, (Joe Biden,) and he can only be overruled by a 60 vote supermajority.

The process is:

The House must pass the Senate bill in it’s entirety as written. (This could already be a stumbling block for the Dems because the Blue Dogs in the House don’t like the Senate bill’s language re: abortion. To get around this, the Senate may pass it’s reconciliation bill before the House votes on the original Senate Bill.)

The House and Senate are going to have to pass another bill that includes the changes to the Senate bill that they wish to make. (This is the Reconciliation Bill. It will only require a simple majority in both houses. As I’ve said, the Senate may very well try to pass it’s reconciliation bill before the House votes on the original Senate bill.)

Last, the POTUS needs to sign both bills. Bills take effect in the order that they are signed by the President, not in the order they are passed by the Legislature. As long as the President signs the original Senate Bill 1 second before he signs the Reconciliation Bill to modify it, they will take effect as the Dems designed. Again, the Blue Dogs have to trust that the President will indeed sign the reconcilition bill. He could simply sign the original Senate Bill and veto the reconciliation bill to leave the original Senate Bill intact.

That’s the process in a nutshell.


157 posted on 03/03/2010 11:50:58 AM PST by truthfree
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