Posted on 03/03/2010 8:31:54 AM PST by Danae
POLITICO Breaking News to me
show details 8:20 AM (8 minutes ago)
POLITICO Breaking News: -----------------------------------------------------
Sen. Tom Harkin tells POLITICO that Senate Democratic leaders have decided to go the reconciliation route for health care reform. The House, he said, will first pass the Senate bill after Senate leaders demonstrate that they have the votes to pass reconciliation in the Senate.
Very true.
And people forget how much can happen before November. This bill, like has been said, won’t take effect for a long time. Come November health care will be way down the list of things important to Joe Voter. The economy will be the most important factor in the mid-terms. I’m willing to bet on that.
Very true.
The GOP needs to be commended for standing against this Bill as a united Party.
They can’t move forward on the Bill until the House passes the Senate version, and 205 votes won’t do it.
My understanding by 2012 none of the so-called benefits will be in place - only the taxes. Plus, if Obama keeps going the way he is, the government will be on the very verge of bankruptcy or already in it.
I think repeal of this bill will be the central issue of the 2012 campaign
The thing here with “health care” is that it’s not supposed to start until 2012 or such (after O’Bozo Uhbama hopefully is gone), so strictly speaking, repeal could happen before the populace has it, much less is used to it (SS example).
Either way, I doubt repeal would ever happen. Laws tend to keep adding up, not disappear.
Very true!
Not true. The House is highly unlikely to pass the Senate bill before the Senate passes it’s reconcilliation bill. The Senate doesn’t need to wait on the House to proceed on it’s bill.
The House Blue Dogs won’t go for it.
Expect the reconciliation bill to come first, in the Senate at least.
That won't cover the 'blue dogs' who swore they wouldn't vote for the Senate version, like Gene Green in Texas.
Repeal, REPEAL....you must be joking.
Try repealing...oh say
Social Security
Income Tax
Death Tax
Public Schools
Mandated Inoculations
Universal Fees
Cigarette taxes
Excise tax
The USPS
Government Retirement Funds
The IRS
Fuel Tax
Blah, blah, blah, blah, etc, etc, etc, eye’s bleeding, head splitting....
“They can’t move forward on the Bill until the House passes the Senate version, and 205 votes won’t do it.”
That’s not true. There is nothing in the rules that would prevent the Senate from voting on the reconciliation conference report before the House votes on the Senate bill. The order that the bills pass is completely irrelevent. The only thing that matters is that the President signs them in the correct order. Pelosi can give the bills to the Pres in any order she wants.
The taxes begin immediately!
People are not going to forget in Nov.
Well, in Pelosi's case.... the emphasis is definitely on "Simple". If the commie Rats think they can get away with this, they're even dimmer than I previously estimated them to be. If they pull this off.... this, their latest treasonous action against the will of most Americans.... their tyranny will not stand.
This country rebelled against an entity that did a lot less (unfair taxation) than what the DemocRats have done to this country already. The only question now is....are their enough 'real' patriots left in America?
The House is going to have to pass the Senate version before Reconciliation begins.
The Reconciliation Bill does nothing to address the abortion issue so it won't change any 'Blue dog' votes.
Reconciliation is all smoke and mirrors, the only issue is the House and their simple majority vote for the Senate version.
I threw out 205 as a “for instance”. I don’t know how many they think they have, but I can guarantee you that however many they think they have, it’s a few less. Their thug tactics have been so strong, I’m sure they have a few who have hemmed and hawed about voting yes who will vote no.
As I understand it, YES!
This latest sales pitch by Obama isn't going to move anyone.
Reconciliation won't provide any political cover to the Blue Dogs.
And it can't handle the abortion funding issue, which is the real hurdle for the Bill.
Losing Murther and now Rangle is going to hurt her ability to strong arm Democrats to vote for a Bill the American People clearly do not want.
Reconciliation is a promise being made by the Democrat Senate to help sell the Bill to get it passed.
They’re only stupid when it comes to cheating, lying, and manipulating. They don’t know how to do any of the above nor do they know how to handle it from the opposition. Not that I’d want them to resort to those tactics but that’s where we get trounced.
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