Posted on 03/02/2010 10:59:44 AM PST by Free ThinkerNY
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Congressional Democrats prepared to launch a final push on Tuesday to pass healthcare reform without Republicans this month, and predicted it could gain new support from Democrats who opposed it last year.
U.S. House of Representatives Democratic leader Steny Hoyer said he saw the possibility of gaining support for President Barack Obama's sweeping healthcare overhaul from Democrats who voted "no" when the House considered it in November.
"We're talking to everybody," Hoyer said as Democrats prepared to move forward on final passage. "Do I think there is a possibility of some people changing? Yes I do."
Obama is expected to announce on Wednesday his plans for forging ahead with an overhaul of the $2.5 trillion healthcare system, with Democrats preparing to use a procedure called reconciliation that allows Senate approval by a majority vote.
That approach, which can only be used for budget-related measures, would bypass the need for 60 votes to clear procedural hurdles in the 100-member Senate. It requires only a simple Senate majority of 51 votes.
"We're working very hard to get consensus in both houses," Hoyer said of talks among Democrats on the best way forward.
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Please note that every day since the phony sum mitt bombed the Sate Media has spit out another Propaganda piece stating the dame crap.
This is Linda Douglas formerly of ABC handy work !
| I don't see the legal reason why Obama can't simply sign the Senate bill, as written, after the House approves it.
That's why many in the House insist that the Senate go first. It is doubtful that there are enough votes in the House to pass the Senate bill as written, without iron-clad guarantees that certain changes will be made by the Senate afterward. The proposal is to use reconciliation to pass the changes, but there are two reasons that can't be done. First, one of the big changes involves the Stupak amendments guaranteeing that the legislation does not cover abortion. That's not in the Senate bill. Nor is it a "budget" issue, meaning it can't be the subject of reconciliation. So Stupak and his allies have no reason to believe that their concerns will be addressed. They are therefore likely to vote 'no' unless the Senate goes first and adopts serious anti-abortion language. Secondly, although reconciliation only requires 51 votes to pass the bill, the process allows for an infinite number of amendments. Each of those also requires 51 votes. By throwing one amendment after another into the gears, the Republicans can tie the Senate in knots through November. The only way to halt the amendments is with — wait for it — 60 votes. This article, and others like it, are a circus act designed to pacify the Donks' base. They can't pass this thing and they know it. But they're gonna 'try' a whole bunch, and then blame the Republicans when it doesn't pass. It's over, folks. We dodged the bullet again. No president will try this again for another 20 years. |
That is precisely the plan -
...they don’t really care if the subsequent proposed changes (supposedly incorporating Rep ideas) ever get passed into law
Tar.
Feathers.
Politicians.
(Some Assembly Required)
"I'm your huckleberry."
“IT” The Monolith/Pyramid Scheme:
The “YOU CARD”
- - - - - - Vampire-Care Healthcare Backed Securities...treasuries, govt. deficit reduction guarantees to the Chinese/other investors) Forced work-based securities Monolith.- - - - - - -
217,800,000 adult population, (last census)
108,900,000 1/2 (minus approx. public/govt. workers)
$10,890,000,000 (based on super conservative of $100 per capita forced threat/fines higher) Forced WORKED-BASED.
1. Forced card birth fee/taxed. Registered from birth for life.
2. Forced program. Then programS. Inspections
3. Forced incremental programs
4. Reduce by cost (benefits) 1 (administrative Monolith rake off). Govt. panel
5. Reduced by cost 2 (first year cost, % to Eastern-Beltway Monolith, increased-leveraged at will. % increased based on % to private insurance (temp??)
6. Reduced by cost 3? (unknown rake-offs)
VBS scheme. Vampire Backed Securities.
Desperation at all costs for passage.
Show the “You” Card: Your papers.
I hope you are right.
Your analyses are always clear and usually spot on...so I suspect this one is no different.
Ping.
I pray to God you're right! Hooray for the Republic!
There you go !
LOLROTF
I suspect you are right...lots of money tossing around.
Well that does clear things up doesn't it....thanks..will ponder this as the dems. take their fall.
I hope you are right. This assumes that the Republicans will use the parliamentary tactics that are available to them.
If the Republicans actually do stop it, then they should beat the Dems to the punch and take credit for stopping this monstrosity. Trumpet it at every opportunity. Run ads claiming they saved us from a socialist takeover. And run like hell with it in the fall campaigns. Even if it doesn't pass, we can still beat the Dems over the head with it; it is still a winning campaign topic.
I would like to believe you, and you make a convincing argument, but for two things:
1) Pelousi is clearly offering after-election lifetime appointments in the 250k+ region to bribe some people to go ahead and ‘die’. That’s the Congress.
2) The procedure on the Nuclear Reconciliation Option is as follows: The parlimentarian rules that the rule may not be used for this thing or that thing, and he will, since he is non-partisan. The Vice President can overrule, and he will. Then it takes a 51 vote to overrule the VP, and they won’t. And that’s the Senate.
So at that point, ALL bets are off.
Including Cap-And-Trade, and Amnesty.
My fear is that Nancy and Rahm will give Stupak & Co. the plata y plomo ('silver or lead') choice ... they either take the bribe to sign on, or 'something' will happen to them or their families.
How do they get away calling this process Reconciliation ? Its only when two or more ideas come together there can be a reconciliation. Words have no absolute meanings to these people. They call themselfs progressives, yet their policies are backwards and as old as dictators since their goal is to be just that, they say they are pro choice but they really want to take away the choice of some female babies to live, they say they are anti war anti gun but will have no problem in sending armed police to haul away people who don’t obey their planned legislations that tell us how much water we can have in our tolits, whatknod of light bulb or car we can drive, when our kids can pray. They say they are for free speach but won’t allow the bible to be spoken in their schools. Every phrase and word they use will have just the oppisite meaning, and what’s worse is the press just parrots their laungage! Reconciliation my @+!#*@;#
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You are correct: once both houses pass the same bill, the president can sign it and it becomes law.