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MN family kidnapped, robbed after answering ad
KSTP.com ^ | 2/26/10 | Susanna Song and Becky Nahm

Posted on 02/27/2010 5:32:06 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo

A Twin Cities family thought they were meeting a man to buy a car, but they ended up trapped in their own vehicle, held at gunpoint and robbed.

The family, who asked to remain anonymous, answered an ad for a Toyota Camry posted on Craigslist.

The couple took their two-year-old and went to meet their contact at 8:30 p.m .Thursday on the 200 block of Birmingham Street on St. Paul's east side.

The victim walked up to the man to make the transaction.

He said, "He put a gun to my head and said you see what I'm working with."

The gunman followed the victim back to the family car where his wife and child were waiting.

St. Paul Police Sgt. Paul Schnell said, "They did at that point exactly what we would (have) people do and encourage people to do, to be complaint and survive the situation."

They drove for at least two miles, the victim behind the wheel and the gunman in the passenger seat.

The victim said, "He puts the gun in my gut and says if I do anything stupid he'll kill me."

When they reached Conway Street and Maria Avenue, the gunman forced the family out of their car and took the $2,200 they planned to use to purchase the advertised Camry.

The victim said the gunman returned some of the money before driving away.

He said, "He gives me a hundred bucks and said that's the bus ride home."

The family's stolen car is a 1996 green Honda Civic with a Minnesota license plate LFD 609.

Anyone who spots the car, or knows anything about the crime, is asked to contact the St. Paul police.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: badadvice; carjack; craigslist; internet; kidnap; napl; noperpdescription; theft; toyota
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...."to be complaint and survive the situation."

I have always been told that if you allow yourself to be taken to the secondary crime scene, you may not survive...

These folks were lucky, but I think that the LEO's advice will get others killed...

Just my .02....

1 posted on 02/27/2010 5:32:06 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Bad advice. mine:

If you see an opportunity and are able, kill him without mercy.


2 posted on 02/27/2010 5:35:41 PM PST by Graybeard58 ("0bama's not just stupid; He’s Jimmy Carter stupid”. - Don Imus)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Who follows instructions to take $2200 cash to buy a car from someone they have never met?


3 posted on 02/27/2010 5:36:25 PM PST by jimtorr
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To: Slings and Arrows

Ping


4 posted on 02/27/2010 5:36:52 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
Anyone who spots the car, or knows anything about the crime, is asked to contact the St. Paul police.

It's too bad the gunman was wearing an invisibility cloak, since no description of the guy is avalable. A description of what he looks like would help in the search.

5 posted on 02/27/2010 5:37:46 PM PST by Charles Henrickson (Must be one of them Amish.)
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To: jimtorr

Why would you meet them at night? Very stupid.


6 posted on 02/27/2010 5:38:11 PM PST by racing fan
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To: jimtorr

I sold a car and the guy brought $6000 cash.


7 posted on 02/27/2010 5:38:21 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: jimtorr

No kidding. If I buy a used car its usually because I see it sitting in someone’s front yard with a for sale sign on it.


8 posted on 02/27/2010 5:38:39 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin!)
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To: jimtorr

>>Who follows instructions to take $2200 cash to buy a car from someone they have never met?<<

I think anyone who uses Craigslist for ANYTHING is nuts. It has not even a fig leaf in terms of controls. You are safer buying a “bona-fide Picasso” at a garage sale.


9 posted on 02/27/2010 5:39:23 PM PST by freedumb2003
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
The family's stolen car is a 1996 green Honda Civic with a Minnesota license plate LFD 609.

Hmmm . . . but no description of the perp. . . .

10 posted on 02/27/2010 5:39:24 PM PST by Charles Henrickson (Must be one of them Amish.)
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To: Graybeard58

Well, with all the stories of murder and swindle associated with Craiglist, I would never make a transaction with someone there. If I had to, I’d be ready for any eventuality and I certainly would endanger any family members by having them tag along.....

I have friends for that sort of thing....

;-)


11 posted on 02/27/2010 5:39:45 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (Political Correctness Will Get Us All Killed)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
I have friends for that sort of thing....

LOL well you used to.
12 posted on 02/27/2010 5:40:37 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin!)
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To: Charles Henrickson

C’mon....we’re Liberal Lakes, here.....


13 posted on 02/27/2010 5:40:44 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (Political Correctness Will Get Us All Killed)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Sad story. Fishy deal. Going to a strange, dark location with the wife and kid to make a large case transaction.

Daylight. Busy, public location. Money order. Have another male relative or good friend to drive the family car home.


14 posted on 02/27/2010 5:40:45 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.


15 posted on 02/27/2010 5:41:22 PM PST by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
My dad always told me if somebody aims a gun at you & says get in the car take the bullet. Somebody might hear the shot & you will get help. If you go with the kidnapper you will face worse things then a bullet. He also left True Detective etc magazines all around the house folded to show girls who had hitchhiked & been raped & murdered. He scared me to death.
16 posted on 02/27/2010 5:42:19 PM PST by pandoraou812 (Alcohol/drug/dementia testing & term limits ought to be mandatory for politicians.)
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To: Charles Henrickson

He had both eyes AND skin.....


17 posted on 02/27/2010 5:42:31 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (Political Correctness Will Get Us All Killed)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

I was about to wonder if this could happen with a newspaper classified as well, but the newspaper has to verify the person placing the ad so the person can be billed. Craigslist is free. Better to use something like eBay where there is a likelihood of tracing to the person placing the ad.


18 posted on 02/27/2010 5:43:40 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Graybeard58

I’ve done this several times with a gun pointed at my head. It’s a cinch.


19 posted on 02/27/2010 5:44:14 PM PST by cydcharisse (`)
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To: Charles Henrickson

>>It’s too bad the gunman was wearing an invisibility cloak, since no description of the guy is avalable. <<

It is like here, after a high-profile hit and run this weekend. The cops held a press conference (a day later, mind you) and said “the victim’s mother spoke briefly with the driver before he drove away but we don’t know what was said.”

Excuse me? Wouldn’t your investigation START with ASKING HER?

Maybe I don’t understand fancified police procedure...


20 posted on 02/27/2010 5:45:09 PM PST by freedumb2003
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