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To: lucysmom

When did that happen? What planet do you live on?
Our constitution states that the POTUS must be a Natural Born Citizen. He was certified by the DNC, this was later seen to be fraudulent. He is a constitutional Scholar from Harvard. He KNEW before he even entered the race that he was unqualified. The DNC knew as well. They lied to each of the states about his qualifications, they accepted it blindly. The courts know this, and fall on STANDING, when in fact, many people in current cases have standing.
The fact that he currently holds the position of POTUS illegally, does not give him legal status. It is not a matter of conjecture, that he MIGHT be qualified. By his own voice, and his status at birth, and the national origon of his father, and stepfather, he is disqualified, regardless of where he was born. Secondly his mother was not in the US long enough before his birth to qualify him either. This is not opinion, this is known fact.
You might want to review what exactly constitutes fraud.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud
**benefit fraud, committing fraud to get government benefits
**embezzlement, taking money which one has been entrusted with on behalf of another party,
**identity theft - Multiple SS numbers
**forgery of documents or signatures - Signing documents as POTUS when in fact he knows he cannot hold that position legally.


Common law fraud has nine elements:[1], [2]

a representation of an existing fact;
its materiality;
its falsity;
the speaker’s knowledge of its falsity;
the speaker’s intent that it shall be acted upon by the plaintiff;
plaintiff’s ignorance of its falsity;
plaintiff’s reliance on the truth of the representation;
plaintiff’s right to rely upon it; and
consequent damages suffered by plaintiff.

There are dozens of cases in the court system against Barry Soetoro aka Barak Obama for just this offense.

Your statements show ignorance of these aforementioned facts, and seem to imply that if he told us he was not qualified and we elected him anyway, he was somehow indemnified. Of course, if he was not qualified, and pursued and secured a job that he was not qualified for, he has perpetrated a fraud on the American people.


163 posted on 02/26/2010 10:29:45 AM PST by etraveler13
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To: etraveler13
When did that happen? What planet do you live on?

The planet where it is recognized that a case built on a premise that may or may not be false is no case at all until that premise is proven to be true.

You might want to review what exactly constitutes fraud. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud
**benefit fraud, committing fraud to get government benefits
**embezzlement, taking money which one has been entrusted with on behalf of another party,
**identity theft - Multiple SS numbers
**forgery of documents or signatures - Signing documents as POTUS when in fact he knows he cannot hold that position legally.

Your list is bogus because the items on your list are suppositions, not facts.

Definition of supposition: a message expressing an opinion based on incomplete evidence
- a message expressing a belief about something; the expression of a belief that is held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof
- a hypothesis that is taken for granted

Your statements show ignorance of these aforementioned facts, and seem to imply that if he told us he was not qualified and we elected him anyway, he was somehow indemnified. Of course, if he was not qualified, and pursued and secured a job that he was not qualified for, he has perpetrated a fraud on the American people.

Actually, your statements demonstrate an ignorance of the definition of "facts" - here, let me help you out with a definition; "fact" - something that actually exists; reality; truth.

Obama never claimed his father was a US citizen, he openly admitted that he had dual citizenship at his birth; the majority of voters decided he was eligible, the electors decided he was eligible, and Congress let slip by the opportunity to question his eligibility. It just might be that your definition of Natural Born Citizen is in error.

168 posted on 02/26/2010 11:23:02 AM PST by lucysmom
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To: etraveler13; lucysmom
“When did that happen? What planet do you live on?”

We live on a place called Earth. You may have heard of it in whatever phantasamagorical place of wonder and chocolate birth certificates the birther crowd has constructed to reside in.

169 posted on 02/26/2010 12:29:49 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: etraveler13
....he was not qualified, and pursued and secured a job that he was not qualified for, he has perpetrated a fraud on the American people...

The disgust and outrage felt by those who realize what has been done is palpable throughout the country. Add this to the frustration of having the fraud accepted and certified, and now officially ignored, leaves us with very limited recourse.

As the sitting President, the de facto, if not the de jure President, Obama sits at the head of the Executive Branch of Government. He is therefore immune to civil and criminal prosecution penalties while there. He, usurper, criminal, fraud, or not, can now only be removed by Congress.

They can take the ruling of the appropriate courts (The Federal District Court in DC, and the SCOTUS) under advisement ... OR NOT.

The fact that he currently holds the position of POTUS illegally, does not give him legal status....

He is ineligible on the face of it, i.e., based on the facts we know. But he has not been ruled ineligible. In fact, 50 states AGs have certified him as eligible, i.e., they accepted his and his party's affirmation. He was certified by the President of the Electoral College, and sworn in by the Chief Justice. There can be no doubt, fraud or not, that he is the sitting President of the US. If he's a fraud, he can be Impeached (Charged) by Congress in the House, and convicted in the Senate. Congress needs no court's permission to do that.

If a Writ of Quo Warranto is properly obtained, and that court or SCOTUS on appeal, finds him ineligible, after appeals are exhausted, Congress may ... or may not ... choose to remove him. That's their call. Again, if they chose to remove him, they could try and convict him or find him ineligible, without the court's involvement.

"Have him arrested ... jailed... etc. etc. " cannot be done. Congress, and only Congress, can have him removed from office. Once removed, he would of course be subject to the law of the land, as any other person.

Team Obama, with knowledge aforethought, found an area in the Constitution that has not been properly protected, or at least not adequately tested, and driven a truck through it.

The only court constitutionally open for redress of this by the citizens is the Federal District in DC. First, the AG has to be given the opportunity to bring the people's case. If he refuses, as he would be expected to do, since he is the President's lawyer, another lawyer may ... or may not..be allowed to. It is also expected that the AG .... and the Federal District Court ... both highly partisan ... would use delaying tactics.

IMHO, this is the severest test the Constitution has been put to in two and half centuries. In all probability, the Founders never imagined that an ineligible Presidential candidate would ever be a very serious problem ... since at that time, apparently everyone knew very well what a Natural Born Citizen was!

170 posted on 02/26/2010 1:26:08 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Go-Go Donofrio. get us that Writ of Quo Warranto!)
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