Posted on 02/25/2010 7:44:15 AM PST by capacommie
Bob Unruh says an attorney whose legal brief in a case challenging Barack Obama's eligibility revealed a Supreme Court can remove an ineligible chief executive now has released an analysis confirming that if Obama isn't eligible, he could be charged under a number of felony statutes.
And that's just on the federal level; any state charges would be in addition, as would charges against individuals who may have helped him in the commission of any of the acts, according to Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation (USJF).
Kreep has been involved in several of the cases that have raised challenges to Obama's occupancy of the Oval Office, including two in California. One is on appeal in the state court system and names California Secretary of State Debra Bowen as defendant. The other, in the federal court system, is on appeal before the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
Both make claims on behalf of individuals and political candidates in California over Obama's presence on the 2008 election ballot.
North Dakota Gov. Thomas Moodie, removed from office when the state Supreme Court found him ineligible
Kreep's legal research revealed two precedents he believes would be applicable in the Obama case. In one, state officials arbitrarily removed a candidate from an election ballot because it was not proven the candidate was qualified for office. In another, the North Dakota Supreme Court removed the sitting governor from office when it was documented he was not eligible under the state's requirements.
Now Kreep has released an analysis of the federal laws he believes could be applied should Obama ultimately be shown to be ineligible.
"If he is not eligible, he could be charged not only under with these crimes, but potentially with crimes in a number of states where he falsely represented that he was qualified to run, as well as people who helped him."
Further, there could be any number of challenges to virtually anything he did as president: his nominations, his executive orders and his signing of legislation.
"This is completely uncharted territory. It could all be challenged as invalid. There has to be a sitting president for [actions] to be valid. If he's not qualified, if he's not the president, it isn't valid."
USJF staff attorney Chris Tucker cites the statutes that could apply here (cursor down) . . .
Mygod, you're right, Chester Auther did it so that mkes it all right.
Gee, next we can have anchor baby POTUS's or I know, Putin's American born son himself, yeah that's the ticket.
When did that happen?
Obama is the president until he is not the president. Opinion on an internet forum is not proof.
Obama was up front about his father being from Kenya and his own dual citizenship at birth, so no fraud there.
The danger of Obama staying in office one more day is the crash of the dollar and the economy, great depression, then riots, at which time he will declare martial law, bring in all the groups he has set up, cancel the November elections and suspend the Constitution, invite U.N. troops until he and his cohorts have a strangle-hold on the country and set himself up as dictator. Commie progressives have been working on this since beginning of the 1900’s in Chicago. He won’t give up now unless he sits in jail at Gitmo.
Oh, absolutely. Expose him. Cause absolute chaos among the Democrats. But let them shoo him off rather than the courts.
Here’s are the scenarios I envision:
— New congress takes over and thwarts Barry’s agenda. SHTF re: his shady past in late 2011 or early 2012. It’s apparent there are too many questions to let him continue in office. The Dems force him out. Orderly transition in 2012. New rules put in place to keep it from happening again. The Messiah goes down in history for what he is.
or
— Political/judicial circus in Washington while al Queda, Iran, Korean, whoever else finalizes plans against us. A public mesmerized, divided. Race riots and violence. Economy even worse than now because there are no grown-ups in charge.
Although I’d love to see him totally disgraced in a public spectacle, I want the first because I love my country.
I don't know about right, it does make it precedent.
An illegal alien crashes a car into my house and the police show up and determine the man is not a legal resident and should never have been in this country in the first place. Does the damage to my house magically disappear?
It wasn't right then and it isn't right now.
If it turns out that obammie is a usurper, is that a precedent, and does it justify doing it again or do we learn from the mistake and insure it never happens again, like with C. Arthur?
obumpa
“We need to leave this alone and work on crippling ‘O’s agenda...”
We need to let those who are working on this work on this and wish them well, pray for their success. The rest of us should be to work toward crippling ‘O’s agenda. We do this through the tea parties, through the ballot box, at all levels of government. If that does not work...
We must succeed. He is an evil usurper. He is doing what he came to do - turning America into a socialist dictator state. He must be stopped.
lucysmom
Obama is president, but I expect not for long. This issue is now well, well, well, beyond the fringe.
When **FORTY** out of ninety representatives in Arizona co-sponsor a bill to demand all candidates to present valid documentation, it is **impossible** for the afterbirthers and Obama Trusters to claim these men and women are somehow nutz! These are leaders with tremendous influence in their communities. A good portion are attorneys, and these people have been successful in business and their professions.
Even Ann Coulter was very supportive of the birthers today in her column.
And....McCain is really dumb if he thinks his anti-birther ad will hurt his opponent. All it does is advertise the issue and even more people will be aware.
Well...We will see. This is like a giant blow up gorilla seen floating over a used car lot. Every day the eligibility gorilla gets more inflated and easier to see.
I am very hopeful.
Exposition of Obama as an ineligible holder of the office will NOT automatically result in his removal. No matter what happens in court, or courts, he can only be removed by Impeachment in the House, and Conviction in the Senate. Yes, a hue and cry among the citizens will be helpful, but no Congress is going to throw out any President, legal or illegal, with only months to go in his administration. That's probably all that will be left by the time this makes its way through the proper courts, with Team Obama, Holder, and the rest of the Affirmative Action goon squad at the Federal District Court in DC, the only Constitutional venue for the case, exhausting their delaying tactics.
If, along the way, the courts define once and for all "Natural Born Citizenship," and also find him ineligible, no precedent will have been set. Of course, they might also define NBC in such a way that he IS eligible. Face it, by then he'll probably have Hugo Chavez or equivalent on the SCOTUS!
However, do look for Team Obama to point to Chester A. Arthur's case as a precedent for Obama. btw, It has recently been shown that old Chet lied!
Also BTW, Kreep had better hit his books again. The POTUS is pretty much immune to civil and criminal actions while in office.
As endlessly fascinating as all of this swirling controversy may be, IMHO, it is a calculated distraction on Team Obama's part. Wouldn't we be much better off in figuring out what the hell is supposed to happen when the Republicans return power in DC? I see no overall recovery plan, no leader, and pretty much no clue among the GOP. All I see are RINOs harrumphing about how "Conservative" they are, while scheming to get back to business as usual with their pals across the aisle.
Sorry but the election is around the corner and we have not figured out how to save the country while working around the Kommie from Kenya. That's got to be Job 1.
I agree with much of this. After reading some more, I think the Wong Kim Ark case kinda does define an NBC. And yes, we are over 900 posts at one birther thread, while the important stuff tops out at 25 or 30 posts per thread.
So, yeah, Obama loves Birthers until the 2012 elction and then he’ll lay the long form on them IMHO.
parsy
I agree with much of this. After reading some more, I think the Wong Kim Ark case kinda does define an NBC. And yes, we are over 900 posts at one birther thread, while the important stuff tops out at 25 or 30 posts per thread.
So, yeah, Obama loves Birthers until the 2012 elction and then he’ll lay the long form on them IMHO.
parsy
I agree with much of this. After reading some more, I think the Wong Kim Ark case kinda does define an NBC. And yes, we are over 900 posts at one birther thread, while the important stuff tops out at 25 or 30 posts per thread.
So, yeah, Obama loves Birthers until the 2012 elction and then he’ll lay the long form on them IMHO.
parsy
Repetitio mater scientiae?
Expose, Disqualify, and Prosecute. Him and all who aided and abeted him.
But, unlike parsy, who normally refers to himself in the third person, but decided to post 3 times instead, I will only post it once.
It wasn’t me. I guess it was so profound, that my computer just had to say it more than once.
parsy, the prolific!
No matter what happens in court, or courts, he can only be removed by Impeachment in the House, and Conviction in the Senate. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You cannot impeach someone who is not qualified to be president WHO HAS COMMITTED FRAUD. He is not president in fact. What has to happen is that the FRAUDULENT president, the Vice president, and the democrat party have TO be charged in federal court with criminal fraud,and then tried.He would likely then vacate the White HOuse voluntarily. If not , he would be arrested and forceably removed, WHILE a government cosisting of Bush, Cheny and the top executive of the former administration would have to govern until another election was held.
The previous election would be void ab initio because of fraud,ALL OF THE LAWS AND EXECUTIVE ORDERS OBAMA SIGNED WOULD BE RECINDED, VACATED.
Thats what happens when fraud is committed in such circumstances.Justas it would if similar fraud happened in a corporation.
OBTW, I really hope the serious lawyers on Case Obama keep going. It's dirty work that must be done and done right. It's just that while those guys battle on, we have to, have to I say, get our governing act together in the GOP.
What the hell good is it going to do if we elect all of these GOP guys next fall, and they just sit around with no coherent, effective plan? If they Foxtrot Uniform this, it will be yet another GOP Recession or Depression, and the Democrats will sweep in again in 2012. We could wind up looking like Greece ... just with more pick-up trucks.
WE NEED A PLAN. WE NEED A LEADER (or 2) to kick ass and get the plan implemented. I see neither.
Uh-Oh, or Duh, I have now said the same damn thing three times on one thread. Damnit, parsy, you have started a trend.
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