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12,000 old missiles a bother for army
Daily News Analysis, India ^ | February 24, 2010 | Josy Joseph

Posted on 02/23/2010 9:08:22 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki

12,000 old missiles a bother for army

Josy Joseph / DNAWednesday,

New Delhi: Dated weapons are a headache. And the army is beginning to realise it as it looks for ways to dispose off — hold your breath — 12,000 missiles.

The anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs), which are now over 20 years old, were originally manufactured by Bharat Dynamics Limited (BDL) and were to serve for a decade. The missiles were on a life extension.

“We have decided to dispose them off, but need to figure out how,” said a senior officer at the army headquarters. He said the 12,000 missiles are presently lying in the army’s ammunition depots across the country.

The missiles — Russian Konkurs produced in India under a licence — could still be used during exercises, he said. But that would mean taking the risk of using outdated ammunition. “Who would want to take that risk?” he asked.

The move also comes at a time when an intense debate is building up over the purchase of a new generation of ATGMs. And, for the first time probably, Israelis and Americans are pitted against each other in an army offer to buy weapons.

According to sources, while the army has formally shown interest in the US-made Javelin missiles, a delegation that visited Israel in November had given its thumbs up to much cheaper Israeli Spike missiles.

Army sources said trials of Spike missiles in Pokhran had failed in the past. But it was a “trouble with a particular lot”. Army sources said a newer version of Spike was successfully test-fired when its delegation visited Israel.

US firms Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, who manufacture Javelin, have been trying hard to sale the missile to the army. The missile’s fire power was demonstrated during a recent exercise.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: atgm; india; missile; russia

1 posted on 02/23/2010 9:08:22 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Ebay?


2 posted on 02/23/2010 9:08:47 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

We used to transfer our war ammunition into the training bunkers after 3 years, when we got a new load of war reserve ammunition. Then we would shoot up the training ammunition in training. One month of war was about what we expected to shoot in 3 years of training.


3 posted on 02/23/2010 9:13:03 PM PST by donmeaker (Invicto)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I’ll bet there are a lot of guys in that army who are thinking, “I know how to get rid of them for you.” They are probably smiling very broadly at the idea, unlike the range masters, who will be wondering who will clean up the mess afterwards.


4 posted on 02/23/2010 9:16:52 PM PST by sig226 (Bring back Jimmy Carter!)
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To: sig226

Looks like the soviet ver of an early series TOW.

here is a tech write up
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product1697.html

The Indians have an adapter to use the lancher with the MILAN-2 which they seem to like

http://www.india-defence.com/reports-4183

I would think if no legit buyer is not found India may use them up in training assuming they are still safe to fire.


5 posted on 02/23/2010 9:29:12 PM PST by Bidimus1
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The javelin was a great leap forward from the TOW series but, when compared to the spike, it looks like it needs some upgrading. They are both soft launched, fire and forget systems with tandem charges that defeat explosive reactive armor but the spike gives you the option of correcting the flight path if desired and it can fire from the reverse slope defilade if needed and then pick out a target of opportunity thus preventing exposure of the firing team. On top of that, it’s cheaper. Raytheon and Lockheed Martin need to kick it up a notch ot two I think.


6 posted on 02/23/2010 9:34:52 PM PST by RC one (WHAT!!!!)
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To: Army Air Corps

Yes sir! Be the first on your block to be the only person left on your block.


7 posted on 02/23/2010 9:37:33 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

A handy gadget for a neighbourhood watch; it would definitely keep gang bangers out of the neighbourhood.


8 posted on 02/23/2010 9:42:31 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

How about blowing them up in a mountain to simulate what a low yield suitcase nuclear weapon would do in an underground transit system? Stupid maybe, but blowing stuff up is always fun.


9 posted on 02/23/2010 9:45:47 PM PST by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: sukhoi-30mki

How about a wild 4th of July celebration...


10 posted on 02/23/2010 9:51:37 PM PST by Bob Eimiller (appeasement "it's the idea that if you feed the alligator he will eat you last." Winston Churchill)
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To: Bob Eimiller

Or a wild August 15th celebration...


11 posted on 02/23/2010 10:10:08 PM PST by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: Zeppo
Or a wild August 15th celebration...

Catholic Assumption of the Virgin Mary Day?

12 posted on 02/23/2010 10:18:08 PM PST by Screaming_Gerbil (I think we met before in a past life, and I was a witch back then, too!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

How about starting a list of 12,000 potential targets in Iran.


13 posted on 02/23/2010 10:29:09 PM PST by cquiggy
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To: cquiggy
There's not much left of the tank at the end...

Javelin Live Fire Test

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHbCcQBSZ7Q
14 posted on 02/23/2010 11:09:09 PM PST by deks
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To: Screaming_Gerbil

I think it’s the Indian republic day.


15 posted on 02/24/2010 12:05:03 AM PST by James C. Bennett
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I have an idea. Put all of the missiles in a big hole in the ground, then sell raffle tickets, where the winner gets to push the button to blow them up.


16 posted on 02/24/2010 5:43:33 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Are they insane, stupid or just evil?)
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To: Screaming_Gerbil
One single day, so many choices...
17 posted on 02/24/2010 5:57:26 AM PST by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: James C. Bennett
I think it’s the Indian republic day.

Ok, now it makes sense...

18 posted on 02/24/2010 6:17:20 AM PST by Screaming_Gerbil (I think we met before in a past life, and I was a witch back then, too!)
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To: Zeppo
1947 – India gains independence from the United Kingdom and becomes an independent nation within the Commonwealth.

Ok, I found it. Thank you.

19 posted on 02/24/2010 6:19:09 AM PST by Screaming_Gerbil (I think we met before in a past life, and I was a witch back then, too!)
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