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1 posted on 02/21/2010 12:32:16 AM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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"We were prepared to argue that if these things are as harmless as the state claims, we should be able to detonate one in the courtroom. That would have been fun."

Over the last twenty years or so, I have become increasingly uncomfortable with the proliferation of no-knock raids and all of the intendant overwhelming force that accompanies them.

Police supporters say these tactics are necessary because druggies are so well armed and that proper safeguards prevent mishaps and wrongful identifications, but that is obviously not true.

This review is a good step, and long overdue.

2 posted on 02/21/2010 12:52:07 AM PST by Ronin
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The CNN story focused on PSI's fraud and negligence, but what's striking about the FBI agents' accounts is that other than the early detonation, the grenades did exactly what they're intended to do. What the agents experienced is experienced by dozens of people every day who find themselves on the receiving end of a drug raid,

Funny, how it took 3 FBI agents getting hurt before law enforcement finally admitted what people have known for years and lowly civilians have sued unsuccessfully for years over. Before something is finally being do or addressed with the use of these things.

I personally feel they have a place in the law enforcement arsenal. But as with all tools the courts give LEO's to work with, they quickly begin using them on situations and scenarios of less and less urgency or less and less danger. So, finally the right case ends up before the right court and the tool it taken away from LE. And the entire community has no one to blame but themselves and their eagerness to employ a given tool on society at the drop of a hat. The same thing is happening with Tazers. Cops are using them more and more on situations of less and less resistance, till we now have cops tazing 11 year old school children for talking back. A 77 year old Grandma who can't get out of a car fast enough on a traffic stop and a 67 year old man in the throws of a diabetic induced episode.

3 posted on 02/21/2010 12:52:42 AM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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Every two-bit police department, Sheriff's office, or security department of any political subdivision (no matter what its size) wants a SWAT team these days. And if you've taken Federal money to set one up and train its members, you have to justify that. So it's damn well gonna get used (usually every chance they can), whether there's a need for it or not.

That's what got the BATF agents shot in WACO. That's why the BATF had a grocery sack full of video tapes they were unwrapping the day before, so they would have plenty of cool video showing how neat their SWAT team guys were. It's why they went in shooting; why they immediately killed all the dogs (which were penned). It's why they invited the press and TV stations to cover the raid, and why they had to go through with the raid, even after they knew it was compromised.

If you're a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

BTW, almost all the BATF video disappeared after the raid (it was embarrassing to them). Only the video shot by the news media folks remains.

5 posted on 02/21/2010 1:14:38 AM PST by rmh47 (Go Kats! - Got Seven? [NRA Life Member])
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"If they could experience that, or someone close to them would have to go through that experience, I'm sure it would be a different story and maybe they wouldn't have allowed it to happen."

But you're cool with the practice of using them on Americans who are suspected of non-violent crimes?

Maybe if you had a couple more go off in your lap, and maybe a few thrown into your living room with your family some evening, you'd feel a bit differently about them yourself, agent!

6 posted on 02/21/2010 1:21:35 AM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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Flashbangs detonate with a blinding flash of light and a deafening explosion. Their function is to temporarily stun people in a targeted building until police or military personnel can get inside.

Uhhhh.

I hope not.

7 posted on 02/21/2010 1:35:23 AM PST by Lazamataz (Do it for the children.)
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Where can WE get some for the 4th of July? Worse than a quarter stick?


11 posted on 02/21/2010 4:19:55 AM PST by Renegade ("Bring it on while I still don't need glasses to shoot your eye out ")
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Cops shouldn’t be able to possess any weapon or gear that I can’t own for myself.


16 posted on 02/21/2010 6:48:14 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("Personal freedom begins when you tell Old Mrs. Grundy to go to Hell." -Lazarus Long)
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Flashbangs Under Fire, It's time to stop using stun grenades during drug raids.

Better to legalize drugs and end the excuse for these fascist attacks.

17 posted on 02/21/2010 6:49:51 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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