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To: Grunthor

Nobody here is advocating drinking and driving. That is the canard. The problem here is that once you give up a constitutional right, in this case probable cause, it is hard to ever get it back. In addition, creating an environment of control so sever as to have soviet era roadblocks, with para military tactics is a huge mistake. In a perfect world no traffic deaths would ever happen. We don’t live in that world. As long as people drive cars people will die in them. That sucks. But the government, no matter how fully empowered to intrude into peoples lives in an attempt to change behavior will never be able to create a zero risk environment. Accept that fact, and you won’t demand more government intrusion at the expense of the ability to travel unimpeded. The government big enough to give you everything you want is the government big enough to take everything you have.


41 posted on 02/17/2010 9:06:24 AM PST by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: DariusBane

Firstly, and this may not apply to you in your state, but it is true in NY. You do not have a “right” to drive. It is a privilege which can be taken away by the state.
Second you give implied consent when you accept your license that you will obey the rules of the road and that you will not be dwi.
You give the right for your blood to be taken if you are unconscious if probable cause exists that you are or have been dwi.

Lastly, you make your statement as if traffic related deaths and dwi have not been significantly reduced by the push to stop it. It has in fact been dramatically reduced.

People drink far less and drive today than they did some 20 years ago. There were more fatalities that were alcohol related and BAC’s were much higher than they are today on the average.

Again, I do not agree with lowering the BAC to arrest for DWI. That I think is a money maker. But if someone is drunk, I have no pity for them. I pity the person and their family that they may kill by being drunk and driving.


70 posted on 02/17/2010 11:41:40 AM PST by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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