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To: highlander_UW

“This nation was built on the vitality and ingenuity of immigrants looking to make a better life. “

No, this country was built on the vitality and ingenuity of the founding fathers and other colonists who were BORN here, who were NOT immigrants. Only 9 of the 56 signers of the declaration were ‘immigrants’.

If your theory were true, this nation would not decline every time there is a huge wave of immigration and there would be no need for we ‘natives’ at all. We had the sense to stop it before. We’ll see if we’re that smart again.

I will ask this question again...which I have NEVER gotten an answer to...

HOW many legal immigrants would you allow into this country each year?


6 posted on 02/15/2010 10:49:32 AM PST by AuntB (WE are NOT a nation of immigrants! http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/)
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To: AuntB

I am so TIRED of hearing that we are a nation of immigrants. We are a nation of SETTLERS! Our forefathers came here when there was NOTHING - no armies,roads, buildings, stores, churches, hospitals,schools,farms, or businesses - and they BUILT A COUNTRY.

The statement that the illegals are here to do jobs Americans won’t do is ridiculous. There are NO jobs that Americans won’t do. We built a country, won our freedom, kept our Union together and won 2 world wars. Don’t tell me that there are jobs Americans won’t do.

Obama understands none of this because he was not brought up here. Also he was raised by people who did not love our country. Our founders understood the importance of “natural born”.


10 posted on 02/15/2010 11:12:18 AM PST by klb99 (I now understand why the South seceeded)
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To: AuntB

I would end all immigration except for people we actually want to let in, with great educations and enormous potentail. This would cut down immigration to a trickle. Then we should start pushing out the illegal, ignorant, tax-sucking peasantry we’ve allowed in for decades to run up our welfare bills.


15 posted on 02/15/2010 12:49:11 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: AuntB
No, this country was built on the vitality and ingenuity of the founding fathers and other colonists who were BORN here, who were NOT immigrants. Only 9 of the 56 signers of the declaration were ‘immigrants’.

I disagree. This country and it's success was made possible by the genius of the founding fathers, but it owes much of it's success to immigrants. Where would America be without the likes of:

Alexander Graham Bell - born in Edinburgh, Scotland

Andrew Carnegie - born in Dunfermline, Scotland

Jacob W. Davis - born in Riga Latvia

and Jacob's more famous partner...Levi Strauss born in Buttenheim, Germany

Albert Einstein - born in Ulm, Germany

Without these immigrants America would not have been the birthplace (and exploiter of) items such as the telephone, a vital steel industry, blue jeans and I just tossed Einstein in there for good luck. And this is just in the realm of invention. The railroads were built largely by immigrants for example. If you think America would have been nearly as successful without these individuals and others like them then you aren't paying attention to history.

If your theory were true, this nation would not decline every time there is a huge wave of immigration and there would be no need for we ‘natives’ at all. We had the sense to stop it before. We’ll see if we’re that smart again.

You make an unsupported claim. Prove this nation has declined with "every" wave of immigration. And remember, I'm talking legal immigration...I do not support illegal immigration in the least.

I will ask this question again...which I have NEVER gotten an answer to... HOW many legal immigrants would you allow into this country each year?

How many legal immigrants do we let in currently? Do you know?

But to offer my personal opinion...I believe it should be indexed to the nation's population of citizens. I say this because an entirely unrestrained influx would cause issues of assimilation...which is one of the biggest problems with our current influx of illegal immigrants who aren't in the least interested in assimilating and becoming part of this nation. Their first loyalty is not to this nation but to a home nation, a family in a home nation, working and getting paid to send money back to another nation etc.

But back to your question, I'd say under 1% of the total US population of citizen. How far under would be open to debate in my opinion. I believe that if they did the full 1% that'd be significantly above the current rate. But remember, I'd be in favor of deporting all illegal "immigrants" and replacing them with this larger influx. And I'd be in favor of a more diverse spectrum of immigrants, such as more from Africa, Asia etc instead of primarily just one or two central American countries...although they would be welcome as well if they came in legally.

Does that answer your question?

18 posted on 02/15/2010 1:39:52 PM PST by highlander_UW (Obama has lost or not saved over 4 million jobs!)
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