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To: Christian_Capitalist
They can do that as individual States -- by leaving the present Union and forming their own.

That is not what I am asking. Can a state be expelled against its will by the other states? Yes or no? If not, what clause of the Constitution prevents it?

If they wish to do so collectively, acting as a Union, to expel a member from the existing Compact, their Compact of Union must specify that they can do that -- because the Union only has such Powers as are specifically ceded to it by the individual States.

Let me quote the 10th Amendment to you: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." So what part of the Constitution prohibits the states from expelling another state against their will?

Answered above.

No, you haven't. In order to answer the question you need to tell me what clause in the Constitution prevents it.

Unilateral Secession is how this Nation was founded.

This nation was founded by starting and winning a rebellion against the British government. The Revolutionary War? 1776-1783? Perhaps you've heard of it?

I'm arguing for the 1776 rights of the States to secede from the British Union. You're arguing for the 1776 right of the British Union to compel them to stay.

OK, just so I'm clear here. What you are saying is that under British law the colonists had the legal right to peacefully leave the empire, to secede? And that King George was in the wrong for trying to prevent it? Is that what you want us to believe? Can you point to something that supports this?

IOW, your position is directly opposed to the Founding Ideals of America.

I honestly don't understand your position at all. You seem to be all over the board.

590 posted on 02/10/2010 12:44:07 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
That is not what I am asking. Can a state be expelled against its will by the other states? Yes or no? If not, what clause of the Constitution prevents it?

They can do that as individual States -- by leaving the present Union and forming their own.

If they wish to do so collectively, acting as a Union, to expel a member from the existing Compact, their Compact of Union must specify that they can do that -- because the Union only has such Powers as are specifically ceded to it by the individual States.

As I've already told you.

OK, just so I'm clear here. What you are saying is that under British law the colonists had the legal right to peacefully leave the empire, to secede? And that King George was in the wrong for trying to prevent it? Is that what you want us to believe? Can you point to something that supports this?

It doesn't matter whether or not the American Colonists had "under British law... the legal right to peacefully leave the empire, to secede".

Any State has the right to secede from any Union at any time, for any reason or no reason whatsoever -- and may only be compelled to remain within a Union if the Compact of Union to which they have agreed specifically states that they may be compelled to remain.

600 posted on 02/10/2010 2:37:19 PM PST by Christian_Capitalist
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To: Non-Sequitur
an a state be expelled against its will by the other states?

Article V
"and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate."

615 posted on 02/10/2010 4:25:47 PM PST by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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