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To: Non-Sequitur
That is not what I am asking. Can a state be expelled against its will by the other states? Yes or no? If not, what clause of the Constitution prevents it?

They can do that as individual States -- by leaving the present Union and forming their own.

If they wish to do so collectively, acting as a Union, to expel a member from the existing Compact, their Compact of Union must specify that they can do that -- because the Union only has such Powers as are specifically ceded to it by the individual States.

As I've already told you.

OK, just so I'm clear here. What you are saying is that under British law the colonists had the legal right to peacefully leave the empire, to secede? And that King George was in the wrong for trying to prevent it? Is that what you want us to believe? Can you point to something that supports this?

It doesn't matter whether or not the American Colonists had "under British law... the legal right to peacefully leave the empire, to secede".

Any State has the right to secede from any Union at any time, for any reason or no reason whatsoever -- and may only be compelled to remain within a Union if the Compact of Union to which they have agreed specifically states that they may be compelled to remain.

600 posted on 02/10/2010 2:37:19 PM PST by Christian_Capitalist
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To: Christian_Capitalist
They can do that as individual States -- by leaving the present Union and forming their own.

OK we've gone around and around on this so let me sum your position up as I understand it. You're saying no, a state cannot be expelled against it's will. You cannot point to the clause in the Constitution with forbids it, therefore you're saying the 10th Amendment implies that certain powers are forbidden to the states above and beyond what are listed in the Constitution. Is that accurate?

It doesn't matter whether or not the American Colonists had "under British law... the legal right to peacefully leave the empire, to secede".

But didn't you say in reply 581 that you were arguing "... for the 1776 rights of the States to secede from the British Union." That would indicate to me that you felt that they had a legal right to leave peacefully and that the British were in the wrong for opposing it. I'm just curious where you found that right at. Magna Carta? Act of Parliament? What?

Any State has the right to secede from any Union at any time, for any reason or no reason whatsoever -- and may only be compelled to remain within a Union if the Compact of Union to which they have agreed specifically states that they may be compelled to remain.

And yet you cannot point to the clause in the Constitution which says either one.

602 posted on 02/10/2010 2:54:02 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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