[Gondring]

Step away from that Hash pipe, you’re beginning to hallucinate..

Never touch the stuff. I'm just going with the Founding Fathers--those who decided for themselves what government they were to have. (Perhaps you consider Marx and Engels the Founding Fathers?)

Recall that the Constitution was ratified with states explicitly stating that it was only under the condition that secession is allowed. If it isn't allowable, then we have an unratified Constitution.

[Non-Sequitur]

Recall that the Constitution was ratified with states explicitly stating that it was only under the condition that secession is allowed.

Only two implied that, and Madison himself said that the concept of conditional ratification was ridiculous.

[Gilbo_3]

to me it simply boils down to contract 'law'...fedguv broke the contract waaaaaaaay back when, now its just a matter of defining 'is' and 'shall not be infringed'...

the pushback is already written in the Declaration of Independence...

now, whos ballsy enuff to start the timer ???