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When Windmills Don’t Spin, People Expect Some Answers
NY Times ^ | February 5, 2010 | MONICA DAVEY

Posted on 02/05/2010 7:48:37 PM PST by neverdem

For those who suspect residents in places like Minnesota of embellishment when it comes to their tales of bitterly cold winter weather, consider this: even some wind turbines, it seems, cannot bear it.

Turbines, more than 100 feet tall, were installed last year in 11 Minnesota cities to provide power, and also to serve as educational symbols in a state that has mandated that a quarter of its electricity come from renewable resources by 2025.

One problem, though: The windmills, supposed to go online this winter, mostly just sat still, people in cities like North St. Paul and Chaska said, rarely if ever budging. Residents took note. Schoolchildren asked questions. Complaints accumulated.

“If people see a water tower, they expect it to stand still,” said Wally Wysopal, the city manager of North St. Paul. “If there’s a turbine, they want it to turn.”

No one knows for sure why these turbines do not. Officials believe there may be several reasons, but weather is the focus of much speculation. It is not as though turbines cannot function in cold places; thousands of them work perfectly well throughout Minnesota and the Midwest, the American Wind Energy Association is quick to note.

But the 12 turbines in question, each 20 years old, spent their earlier years twirling in California...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Technical; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: energy; windmills
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To: Flycatcher

Sic Semper Novus Ordo Fimorum.


61 posted on 02/06/2010 12:07:40 AM PST by shibumi (Health and well being for S. and L. - in Jesus name we pray!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Just what we all need up here: Another ignition source for a prairie fire.

For the unitiated, those can burn swathes of land off miles wide and long, and have been known (in Minnesota!) to burn an entire town.

62 posted on 02/06/2010 12:46:30 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Nervous Tick
"Thanks for the insight. Especially the “people running grids” part. I hadn’t considered that part of the equation." Typically the people running the grid and the people owning the turbines are different. Many of the owners seem to be Europeans.
63 posted on 02/06/2010 3:47:34 AM PST by Western Phil
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To: neverdem
There is a massive windmill farm in IN on the way to Chicago. I happen to know one of the money guys who put the deal together, and he tells me it's a colossal failure---that the investors got taken to the cleaners, because it can't produce nearly enough power to generate (no pun intended) a profit.

And, like ANY wind-powered source, it must have another backup (hydroelectric, coal, nuke, whatever) somewhere else.

64 posted on 02/06/2010 5:33:29 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: neverdem

I have traveled considerably in the west and have observed carefully hundreds of wind generators.

Most recently in west Texas I saw hundreds and hundreds. Typically, in any array, at least 10 % are inoperative.


65 posted on 02/06/2010 6:15:27 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Tax the poor. Taxes will give them a stake in society)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Fred Nerks; ...
Heh. What wankers. Thanks neverdem. And thanks Ernest for more pings to more topics.
66 posted on 02/06/2010 9:27:35 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: Nervous Tick
What the heck is wrong with us anyway??!?

As a people, we give too much credence to the doomsaying 'Sky is Falling' Chicken Littles.

I'm an old man, and in my lifetime, there's always been something that would destroy the world being pushed by someone.

That's one of the reasons I've paid little attention to the end-of-the-world Climate Doomers. One more fly buzzing around proclaiming "The End is Nigh".

67 posted on 02/06/2010 2:40:17 PM PST by Ole Okie
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To: Nervous Tick

It’s a joke. It’s not reliable. It needs another power plant
to provide back up power. We would be far better off with new nuclear power plants. But the green weinies won’t have it.


68 posted on 02/06/2010 2:44:15 PM PST by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: Nervous Tick
What the heck is wrong with us anyway??!?

As a people, we give too much credence to the doomsaying 'Sky is Falling' Chicken Littles.

I'm an old man, and in my lifetime, there's always been something that would cause the end of the world being pushed by someone.

That's one of the reasons I've paid little attention to the end-of-the-world Climate Doomers. One more fly buzzing around proclaiming "The End is Nigh".

69 posted on 02/06/2010 2:50:03 PM PST by Ole Okie
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To: Ole Okie

Sorry for the double post.


70 posted on 02/06/2010 2:51:52 PM PST by Ole Okie
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To: Nailbiter

ping


71 posted on 02/07/2010 3:28:50 PM PST by IncPen (SEC PROSECUTE AL GORE FOR TRADE FRAUD - GIVE BACK THE OSCAR! - GIVE BACK THE NOBEL!)
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To: IncPen

I thought at first I was seeing one of John Semmens pieces.

Ever been past the windmill farm between Merrillville and Indy, now ther is a bondoogle.
Never see one of those moving even on nice breezy day in summer


72 posted on 02/08/2010 9:36:50 AM PST by Nailbiter
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