Posted on 02/04/2010 5:55:09 PM PST by ezfindit
A large wooden cross was placed at an Air Force Academy worship area for pagans and other Earth-centered religions, prompting an investigation by academy officials, though some caution that it’s hardly “destructive behavior.”
Mikey Weinstein, founder of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, said an Air Force Academy staffer spotted the cross — erected with railroad ties — lying against a rock at a worship area for pagan groups at the academy in Colorado Springs, Colo., on Jan. 17.
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Love? Or have you forgotten Torquemada? Or the 30-years War?
(No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!)
And I know your response, that those who did that weren't following the precepts of Christianity. So? Neither is Osama and his terrorist ilk following mainstream Islam, either.
Would you be writing this to Christians who found a wooden Islamic crescent hanging from their church pulpit?
It’s a passive, non-violent and non-threatening symbol. One that could easily be removed without damage to the area or anyone...
Is that worse than a crucifixion? Or an impaling?
Vlad the Impaler was defending Europe from Islam, you know.
Mikey strikes again, so soon. He was at the forefront of the Bible verses on scopes story.
Yes, that is how Christians think of it. And by the same token, Muslims view their crescent in the same light.
Do you? Would you accept this from Muslims? If not, why do you demand special treatment from others for you?
What did I demand? I think it would be wrong not to give worship space to Jews, Christians, Muslims, or any other legitimate religion. I don’t think Wiccans is a legitimate religion, but even so, just as a matter of social justice, if they were given a space for the purposes I do not begin to comprehend, that should have been respected.
I was asked if placing a crucifix on the doorstep of a synagogue is hate speech, and I answered that it is not: the one doing it has no hate. Or at least, judging by the meaning of the symbol alone you cannot discern hate. Would it be a good neighborly act to do so — perhaps not. This is why Christians generally don’t do such things.
The Crescent is a symbol of Islam, but it has no meaning of salvation or goodwill. It is not like Mohammed’s life has a crescent figuring in it. To many it reminds of the Turkish saber. Whereas with the Cross, the meaning is in the symbol. What is it? - An instrument of torture. - Who was tortured? - Jesus Christ. - Why? - Cuz he loved everybody.
More on the Wiccans though: the difference is that theirs is an activity that is inherently anti-somebody. While followers of legitimate religions seek the truth, those folks seek to break what others found. I would not tolerate them anywhere, if I were in charge.
Islam is non-violent? What universe?
However, I would not be calling for “hate crimes.” Was there destruction of property? Was there breaking and entering? Were there actual **threats**?
I have never read Alinsky, but you keep saying my writing reflects it. I guess to know what it would look like you must have studied it.
There has been debate as to the factuality of such accounts. Some credit the Gotland Stones [5] as archaeological evidence attesting to the factuality of the blood eagle as presented in Norse literary traditions. Some have suggested that the blood eagle was never actually practiced, arguing that such accounts are based upon unsupported folklore or upon inaccurate translations. Ronald Hutton’s The Pagan Religions of the Ancient British Isles: Their Nature and Legacy reports that “the hitherto notorious rite of the ‘Blood Eagle,’ the killing of a defeated warrior by pulling up his ribs and lungs through his back, has been shown to be almost certainly a Christian myth resulting from the misunderstanding of some older verse.” (p. 282)
I agree with most of your points in this except for the following.
“Whereas with the Cross, the meaning is in the symbol. What is it? - An instrument of torture. - Who was tortured? - Jesus Christ. - Why? - Cuz he loved everybody.”
It was also the design of the european longsword, and why it the sword of a fallen crusader was used as a headstone for them. It may have started out as what you said, but the church (man, against jesus’ wishes) has forever tainted it.
“More on the Wiccans though: the difference is that theirs is an activity that is inherently anti-somebody”
No one has said wiccans, it said pagans. Pagan is a catchall word for any non-abrihamic religion. Native americans are pagans. Can you tell me that native americans sought to break down christanity?
Insofar as their widespread practice of cannibalism is concerned, yes. And it was predominantly Christianity, and the profit motive that put an end to this heinous barbaric practice, thank God.
The forced Christianity conversions in Norway by Harold bluetooth in 975
As to earlier questions about WWGWD? (what would George Washington do) Here are some questions to ask yourself...
“Do not make an image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above...” Why do we have statues of these people who have died are are now in the heavens above? How many statues of Washington are there?
“Do not swear falsely by the name of the LORD...” How many have taken this oath?
I, XXX XXX, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will administer justice without respect to persons, and do equal right to the poor and to the rich, and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all the duties incumbent upon me as XXX under the Constitution and laws of the United States. So help me God.
I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God
How many of those people took that oath lightly? How many of those took it incincerely? Washington did during the Whiskey Rebellion.
“Do not steal.”
Again... Whiskey Rebellion and the Whiskey tax, don't forget who was a large producer of booze and had a financial stake in the enforcement of the tax.
“Do not murder”
That includes redcoats, indians, and muzzies
“Do not commit adultery.”
What would he say about Jefferson and Sally Hemings?
“Do not covet your neighbor's wife”
There goes the free market. If i didn't like the guys BMW downstairs, i wouldn't work harder at getting a promotion and earn more money. If i didn't see attractive women i wouldn't workout as hard as i do to get their attention. I guess we need to go to burkas and christian socialism like General Feng Yu-Hsiang tried in china.
uh huh.. widespread cannibalism... can you send me some sources on that?
But a quick Google through “Native American Cannibalism” is pretty revealing. But there are other works that a little digging on your part would uncover.
Cannibalism was highly ritualized among the Aztecs and Maya. The 1970 (before pc) version of Encyclopaedia Britannica covers cannibalism even among the vaunted Iriquois.
Just a little education would suit you much better.
ok... lets say that every native american was a cannibal and ate people daily...
How exactly is that “seek[ing] to break what others found”
“im eating your liver so that others will abandon christ!!” sounds like something out of a monty python sketch.
The point is, it wasn’t paganism that put an end to it. It was predominantly Christianity.
But no axe to grind here. I’m not even Christian, but an OT guy. Yet the whole new world, and the United States in particular could not have been founded without Christianity.
wouldn’t the christian doing missonary work be “seek[ing] to break what others found”?
Example : I found that i like worshiping the spirit of birds, you come in and say NO! dont worship birds! worship *This* god and the savior instead!
When was the last time an indian walked into a church and said “NO! dont worship christ! worship this bird instead!”?
no ax to grind either, this is an interesting conversation.
Though God is “supra-natural”, which means He’s outside space and time. Yet, “If I knew God I’d be Him.” Thus I have to settle for learning what He’s done, starting with Genesis 1:1. But always Biblical law in tension with Biblical narrative. Then there’s science - physics, chemistry, geology, astronomy - which only, for me, makes God’s universe all the more exciting.
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