[EnderWiggins]

"And we have evidence that ordinary nature must have a cause."

Oh? What evidence is that?

"YOU called exceptions "Miracles". Thus, the partition between ordinary nature and super nature is necessary."

Not if no such exceptions actually exist. We have many labels for imaginary things, and the problem with "super naturalists" such as yourself is that you have never been able to provide any evidence that the label of "miracle" does not apply exclusively to just such an imaginary thing.

"And calling what you don't like to believe "magical thinking" is no more logical than calling it "poo-poo head thinking". Its an appeal to emotion by one who has given up logic."

I'm sorry if you misunderstood that to be a pejorative term. It's not. It is a specific technical term that describes a specific and well understood way of thinking. You will not get very far in most arguments if you are so thin skinned as to take offense every time somebody uses a word or phrase that you are unfamiliar with.

"Nor do your appeals to "throwing up hands" have any reasoned merit to save your position."

Then make (for the first time) an effort to demonstrate that that is not exactly what you are doing. I would love to see you do that.

"The first thing you said to me was that I was over-thinking. Ender, the problem is that you are under-thinking."

I gotta tell you, that post was even more disappointing than usual. You make essentially no attempt at all to defend your world view or challenge mine.

Am I to understand you are abandoning the field?

[AndyTheBear]

Not if no such exceptions actually exist. We have many labels for imaginary things, and the problem with "super naturalists" such as yourself is that you have never been able to provide any evidence that the label of "miracle" does not apply exclusively to just such an imaginary thing.

You had said on different occasions that it was oxymoronic and had no definition, and you have also previously said that you even accepted it as a possibility, and were not excluding it.

My problem is not making a valid argument. My problem is getting you to follow it.