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1 posted on 02/03/2010 6:41:13 AM PST by Leisler
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“...14’ Combat Shotguns...”
Not interested - won’t fit inside my truck.


2 posted on 02/03/2010 6:45:33 AM PST by Repeal The 17th (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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I wonder if these will be used mainly for breaching doors.

“We’re from the government and we’re here to help!”


3 posted on 02/03/2010 6:46:05 AM PST by elcid1970 ("O Muslim! My bullets are dipped in pig grease!")
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If 14 inch shotgun barrells are government approved for their agents then we all should be able to have one if we want.


4 posted on 02/03/2010 6:53:10 AM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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Armed tax collectors. Where is that covered in the Constitution?
6 posted on 02/03/2010 6:57:25 AM PST by GranTorino (Bloody Lips Save Ships.)
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Not breaking any new ground here. Elliot Ness was a Treasury Agent you know. Notwithstanding the impression left by Robert Stack, their weapon of choice was shotguns.


8 posted on 02/03/2010 6:58:19 AM PST by tlb
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According to my Mossberg catalog law enforcement is going to
the 14” shotgun because squad cars have become smaller and
this size works better to store and access.

Anybody got a picture of Tubbs with that shorty pump he
carried on Miami Vice?

10 posted on 02/03/2010 6:59:59 AM PST by CrazyIvan (What's "My Struggle" in Kenyan?)
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Hmph! 14’? Ok, I know what y’all meant. It’s just boys and their toys. Not exactly sure what a 14” barrel would do for them. Maybe more convenient for entry, but more likely to get someone killed due to lack of barrel control. The majority of the Feds that are weapons qualified (even Secret Service) are not as proficient as might be expected.

It rather begs the question of why every Federal agency out there seems to need a police/military force. I never really thought about this until I noticed (20 years ago), that there were folks from the Department of Agriculture and Department of Education (!?!?!?) carrying concealed weapons on my aircraft. Over the years it became more common. I had to ask why the Department of Agriculture needs folks carrying concealed weapons on an aircraft, and was told it had something to do with Food Stamps (true). I was never able to get an answer as to why the Department of Education needed to be armed, but apparently I was not on a “need to know” basis.

Not surprised that any federal agency is into guns. It’s cool, and mostly guys run agencies. So besides the fact that they’re Feds, and they can, you don’t want to be the only agency that doesn’t have weapons. You’d be a bureaucratic wuss. I suspect they all have heat by now.


12 posted on 02/03/2010 7:00:35 AM PST by Habibi ("It is vain to do with more what can be done with less." - William of Occam)
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Revenooers!



14 posted on 02/03/2010 7:03:07 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (:: The government will do for health care what it did for real estate. ::)
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14 feet, huh.

Nice swap to the goose barrel; knock ‘em outta the sky at 100 yeards!


15 posted on 02/03/2010 7:03:11 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel
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Boycott any company that enters into such a contract with the devil.


20 posted on 02/03/2010 7:11:05 AM PST by Boiling point (Beck / Palin 2012)
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I’m not sure this is unusual.

The IRS has security personnel, and dedicated Marshals and Agents that are intended to protect IRS Revenue Officers during contentious activities, or activities with particularly belligerent tax debtors. It is my understanding that it is not completely unusual for a Revenue Officer to meet with some resistance.

It is within the IRS’s authority to seize property for failure to pay large tax debts (sometimes it is justified) — and the IRS won’t send some poor accountant by himself to seize a house ... they’ll send him with armed escorts. Whether the weapons are provided by the IRS, or whether those personnel are typically employed by the US Marshals or FBI, I don’t know. I would figure at least some of the personnel are employed by the IRS.

SnakeDoc


21 posted on 02/03/2010 7:17:21 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Life is tough; it's tougher if you're stupid. -- John Wayne)
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Why must the IRS exist?


22 posted on 02/03/2010 7:21:43 AM PST by MichiganConservative (I wouldn't hate the government if it didn't exist. (Evil + Stupid) === Government)
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From a decade ago:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.usa.misc/browse_thread/thread/89bc92a954f94133/e6fc95666898fcff?hl=en&q=irssic


23 posted on 02/03/2010 7:23:55 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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25 posted on 02/03/2010 7:26:20 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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Its all about the cars. If you have operated armed with an automobile as your base (I have), a full length barrel on a shotgun is a real problem. Shortening it to 14” makes all the difference in the world.

Most folks who have not worked with a Long arm in vehicles don't really understand. Its why the M4 currently is below optimum barrel length for best ballistics. Same for shorter barrel shotguns, but it doesn't matter so much since a shotgun is trash past 100 yards anyway (and iffy at 100).

Given the choice between a short barreled shotgun or a machine pistol or carbine; I will take the shotgun any day. Total length should not be over 28 to 30 inches (go sideways through a standard inside door) and have a magazine that goes to the end of the barrel. You can do this with an 18 inch barrel but you have to short the stock. A 14 inch barrel lets you full stock the gun (a must with a 10 or 12 gauge) and still keep the overall length down.

MY 2 cents.

26 posted on 02/03/2010 7:26:21 AM PST by Dogrobber
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Check out this article I got from my BIL earlier today.


U.S. agrees to timetable for UN Gun Ban
http://nationalgunrights.org/blog/?p=359#more-359


27 posted on 02/03/2010 7:26:47 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Hey zero, It is NOT Bush's fault anymore.)
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STAND AND DELIVER!

31 posted on 02/03/2010 7:34:07 AM PST by Cheapskate (Play loud and carry BIG sticks!)
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Yeah, but are they going to use steel shot on me? I wouldn’t want some buzzard to die of lead poisoning feasting on my rotting corpse.


34 posted on 02/03/2010 7:35:53 AM PST by chuckles
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The business end of "liberal compassion".

36 posted on 02/03/2010 7:39:18 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Are they insane, stupid or just evil?)
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O.K....I’ll buy a cannon!


37 posted on 02/03/2010 7:39:40 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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