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(IRS)Buying 14' Combat Shotguns.
Fed Gov.com ^ | 02/02/10 | staff

Posted on 02/03/2010 6:41:12 AM PST by Leisler

The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) intends to purchase sixty Remington Model 870 Police RAMAC #24587 12 gauge pump-action shotguns for the Criminal Investigation Division. The Remington parkerized shotguns, with fourteen inch barrel, modified choke, Wilson Combat Ghost Ring rear sight and XS4 Contour Bead front sight, Knoxx Reduced Recoil Adjustable Stock, and Speedfeed ribbed black forend, are designated as the only shotguns authorized for IRS duty based on compatibility with IRS existing shotgun inventory, certified armorer and combat training and protocol, maintenance, and parts.

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To: Habibi
I was never able to get an answer as to why the Department of Education needed to be armed, but apparently I was not on a “need to know” basis.

Pun intended I'm sure.

61 posted on 02/03/2010 8:11:37 AM PST by BOBTHENAILER ( EPA will rule your life)
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To: Little Ray
Beyond the fact that the IRS is armed at all, I don’t see a problem here. I can buy pretty much the same weapon (I think my barrels have to 18” or longer) so what’s the big deal?

The fact the federal government has to resort to weapons in order to make people comply is a statement the existing income tax code is out of control. The federal government wouldn't need anyone weapons to threaten and control the people if the Fair Tax was enacted since everyone would be complying at the point of sale.
62 posted on 02/03/2010 8:13:35 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I’ve heard the monetary theory of Federal Reserve Notes, and the act, and basically, that is the case. Money comes from the government( at least the paper ), where as before the Federal Reserve Act, and with gold/silver in our case, money creation was a private citizen activity and the Federal government was dependent upon us to manufacture money.

This is way, a bit( I’m not yet strongly clear, up to speed on this) why the Income tax and the Federal Reserve act came about at the, near, same time. They are interactive laws and depend upon each other. One can not long exist without the other.

I would like to see both acts removed. Which, like taking booze away from a life long drunk, would be shocking. So large a percentage of the population, directly or indirectly, can not imagine living without the present racket. As if the sun will not shine, wheat would not grow, young men not think and build new things. As if courage would flee.

All the important things in life would exist. It is that removing all this would strike at the root of big gov, big socialism, big disproportionally influential business, and more importantly at the soul killing, demoralizing, de humanizing welfare plantation state.


63 posted on 02/03/2010 8:14:21 AM PST by Leisler (We are in the best of hands)
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To: SnakeDoctor
It is my understanding that it is not completely unusual for a Revenue Officer to meet with some resistance.

Lots'a FReepers would tell 'em to get lost, I'm sure, but I don't see many of us getting violent unless threatened.

Come to think of it, a visit from any federal agent IS threatening...

64 posted on 02/03/2010 8:16:48 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., hot enough down there today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: CrazyIvan

A sawn off shotgun is more intimidating looking to those who dont know much about firearms.


65 posted on 02/03/2010 8:19:01 AM PST by Armedanddangerous (Montani Semper Liberi)
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To: Dogrobber

Most law enforcement agencies now have at least a few short bbl rifles and shorty shotguns


66 posted on 02/03/2010 8:20:36 AM PST by Armedanddangerous (Montani Semper Liberi)
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To: Cboldt

Stick a four inch shotgun in a Judge’s belly and have him tell you there is no purpose.

Of course there is.

These were just, as always everywhere, state elitists always at war with the scum proletariat whom work their fields, manufacture the elite’s goods, cannon fodder their expidtions and so forth.

Under all political theory, Capitalist, Royal, Religious or Marxist, is the same bureaucratic foundation of parasitic elites. The regime names change, but the game is the same. Living off forced money off the masses. Kings and rabble, Czars and serfs, Commissars and soviets, Republicans and Democrats off the sheeple.


67 posted on 02/03/2010 8:20:43 AM PST by Leisler (We are in the best of hands)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
The business end of "liberal compassion".

Ahhh, AirSoft. Making 22LR a hand-cannon caliber since 2004.

Careful with that, you'll shoot your eye out!

68 posted on 02/03/2010 8:23:18 AM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: Man50D

Actually, much as I love the Fair Tax and hate the IRS, I think this was more about bureaucratic Empire Building that it is about some sort of thuggish enforcement. When was the last time you heard about the IRS launching an armed attack on some tax resister?
Given what they can do your back accounts, why would they even bother?


69 posted on 02/03/2010 8:23:55 AM PST by Little Ray (Madame President sounds really good to me...)
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To: Man50D

I’m selling out of my garage, back of my manufacturing plant, off the books.

....here comes the new IRS.

( By the way, the IRS, the Internal Review Service came after, of course the Revolution. And the name of the old British Crown tax collection agency? The Inland Review Service. Also, after the Revolution, were taxes and tax rates higher, or lower? The were higher. Old boss, meet the new boss. )


70 posted on 02/03/2010 8:24:46 AM PST by Leisler (We are in the best of hands)
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To: SnakeDoctor
However, there will still be irresponsible boneheads that don’t pay-up on the fair tax.

And they will be out of business in one heck of a hurry. It will be easier and less costly to track all businesses than to do the same for all individuals.

71 posted on 02/03/2010 8:26:13 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., hot enough down there today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Little Ray
When was the last time you heard about the IRS launching an armed attack on some tax resister?

How do you know they haven't kept armed attacks out of the public eye?
72 posted on 02/03/2010 8:27:27 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: SnakeDoctor
Meanwhile, an 18.5 inch barrel Benelli M1 Entry (eight shell capacity, semi-auto) looks like this, and is available to just plain folk:

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73 posted on 02/03/2010 8:31:06 AM PST by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: Leisler

Why do these people need guns(shotguns in this case)?


74 posted on 02/03/2010 8:31:50 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: JimRed

>> Come to think of it, a visit from any federal agent IS threatening...

Which is why they bring armed escorts. When they’re coming to take the house (justified or not), resistance is almost inevitable.

SnakeDoc


75 posted on 02/03/2010 8:32:19 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Life is tough; it's tougher if you're stupid. -- John Wayne)
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To: JimRed

True enough. I’m pro-fair tax.

I just think people are kidding themselves if they think a proper tax system won’t have an oversight agency with punishment power and punitive enforcement measures to deal with the portion of the population which will either willfully evade or completely ignore laws. There has to be a collection mechanism, and there have to be consequences to not following the law. Tax anarchy is a lousy idea.

SnakeDoc


76 posted on 02/03/2010 8:38:02 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Life is tough; it's tougher if you're stupid. -- John Wayne)
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To: Little Ray

Money, money creation and destruction is now solely in the hands of the Treasury/Federal Reserve. In fact, there is no need for any taxes, at all. Taxes as we know them. The Federal government can do what it does now. Print money. There is no need to tax, or collect.

Granted, printing money destroys savings, and the value of their Federal Reserve Dollar notes, but they’ve been doing that since the birth of the Federal Reserve Act. The value of a dollar, had been reduced 98% in value. (1)

The main value of tax collection is to get people to think that ‘the money is theirs’ ‘their money’, that kind of thing. Which in fact it is not yours, is not ours. It can be made, destroyed, valued, devalued, called in, made legal or illegal at any moment. It is the government’s money, that they so kingly allow us to use. At their pleasure.
The value is in keeping people as slave or serfs without them even knowing it. Call it soft despotism. Tasteful, as we would expect from a creation of basically east coast, wealthy, protestant elite. Think of it as Ralph Loren despotism.

1.
( 1917, one oz gold for $20, now one oz gold for $1,000 )


77 posted on 02/03/2010 8:39:44 AM PST by Leisler (We are in the best of hands)
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To: Man50D

>> The fact the federal government has to resort to weapons in order to make people comply is a statement the existing income tax code is out of control. The federal government wouldn’t need anyone weapons to threaten and control the people if the Fair Tax was enacted since everyone would be complying at the point of sale.

But what if the businesses don’t comply? Where there is a law, there will always be people circumventing, evading or ignoring. There has to be a mechanism for enforcement — and there have to be penalties for noncompliance.

SnakeDoc


78 posted on 02/03/2010 8:41:16 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Life is tough; it's tougher if you're stupid. -- John Wayne)
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To: Man50D

‘Cause even the Feds can’t keep it completely out of the public eye. It might get quashed on the MSM, but it would show somewhere. Like here.


79 posted on 02/03/2010 8:43:26 AM PST by Little Ray (Madame President sounds really good to me...)
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To: SnakeDoctor

I have an old friend. State IRS lawyer. He said it breaks down into three groups. Very wealthy, very smart with good high priced talent. Very long, expensive, problematical to go after and hard to explain to your boss why you are burning up labor dollars for years.

So, not so much those people.

The other end. Broke, tapioca. Can’t squeeze blood from a turnip, it still costs the agency often more than what they can get out.

Ah, but the middle group! There is good hunting. People who have enough to size right off the bat, and can not afford to fight...or the fight/defense will cost them more, even if they are in the right, then the demand of the agency.

Basically he said the middle class is were the action is, for him. Quick in and out with low costs.


80 posted on 02/03/2010 8:44:48 AM PST by Leisler (We are in the best of hands)
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