Posted on 02/02/2010 1:29:46 PM PST by AJKauf
The only “man” Obambi is interested in is himself. You are a moron for advocating that the government take over health care in this country. The government, and especially the left side of the aisle, is the reason that our health care system is as bad as it it (and it's still the best in the world).
If you want to experience the communist approach to health care, head on over to Venezuela and live under Obambi’s twin brother, Chavez.
The government isn't the solution, it is the problem.
The current system is a mess that is controlled by hospitals and insurance companies....two groups that in my experience are ‘in it’ for the money and not for the better interest of the patients health.
The pharmaceutical companies are another huge cluster of crap. I hope Obama reins in those suckers too!
Again....if the change that Obama, by Gods grace, is able to put into reality falls short here or there, then keep the parts that are fair and just and WORK and change the things that dont.
Calm down there guy. You’re going to hurt yourself.
So let us put it in the hands of benevolent, altruistic, and competent government employees!
They aren't even motivated by the desire for profits!
Oh my!
If you really see "hope" you are blind.
What are you doing here?
I’m just another fed up patient telling one of my horror stories.
You got any?
The one’s that are especially encouraging have to do with people that died because of pre existing condition ‘clauses’ in insurance policies that denied them medical care.
"Feelings.....nothing more than feelings...Trying to forget my feelings of love. Teardrops rolling down on my face, Trying to forget my feelings of love...."
I will ask again..what are you doing here?
The point is all of the things you complain about were created to adjust to medicare regulations.
There were no such problems before the government ran widespread health insurance for the elderly and infirm via medicare and medicaid.
This medicare stuff is behind the manipulation of your bill from the hospital even if you do not have medicare coverage. If your hospital treats anyone else with medicare, your bill is affected.
These problems and the appearance of unfairness have been known since the beginning of the government takeover of elderly health insurance, maybe 40 years. If anyone in the massive medicare bureaucracy wanted to solve them, they start and soon disappear, never to be heard from again.
Probably everywhere they looke they found a rat’s nest of regulations, each meaning to solve some problem, but in reality creating additional problems like the circumstances you describe.
This is a typical time course of government takeover of private industry. Start with good intentions and confidence the planners are really much smarter than anyone in the past. Have a smart guy make up limits to guard against waste and abuse. Have another smart guy map out limits based on cost. Season with a little politics and payoffs. In a few years, people will have forgotten how to take care of themselves and have dependency based on fear of losing the program although they can see it is riddled with unintended consequences. Then the smart guys can start the process all over again, only with a bigger, more comprehensive program, promising it will solve the inequities, but in reality the program will be doomed to the same fate, and the people will be sentenced to additional dependency.
Unless they wake up, which they might be doing right now.
go to your room for a time out.
I'll ask you again do you know any people who have watched their parents left to die because they could not even buy healthcare for them? I have, my friends in Holland, and they are bitter. That is what nObama has in store for us not the utopia of medical care that you seem to expect.
As my Canadian friends said of their health care system, “it works great as long as you don't get sick”.
I can only imagine how the working class is treated in Cuba.
No, I don’t know anyone in Holland. I do know of people that have been screwed by the current medical-insurance system in our great country.
I don’t expect a Utopia. I expect it to be better than what I/we now have.
You all predict disaster. Doom. Gloom. Suffering. Communism.
I don’t.
Clipped is a classic sleeper troll.........
doesn’t matter.
I’m done.
Good luck...
Hope you someday figure out that Obama doesn't "feel" for you...and doesn't care about you either.
If ObamaCare passes, I won't have my own doctor.
What’s the problem? When you’re not insured, you get hit with the full bill (and yes, it’s high - an ER visit for a kidney stone isn’t like buying an iPod). When you’re insured, you ended up paying just 12% of the full bill - exactly what you agreed on.
What, you expect your home insurance company to pay for replacing your house when it burns down the day _after_ you cancelled coverage? WTH?
I would like the current system to leave ME alone as it should be.
You'd be afraid of change too if it meant wrecking your economic security. Running the numbers, the Obama's proposed $1.5T deficit for this year will take me most of my income for the rest of my life to pay off - and he wants to do it, and more, _every_year_.
How about THIS "change": leave me the he11 alone, and I'll take care of myself and my own. You got a problem with that? I don't.
You missed the whole thing. I didn’t explain well enough in the beginning.
The hospital billed me $12,500 as I was uninsured. Then it turned out I was covered. Then the hospital billed the insurance company $1500.
So the cost of the hospital care is $12500 if I pay it but only 1500 if the insurance co pays it.
Surely you guys can see something terribly wrong here.
As if the entire accounting episode is that simple.
Both hospital and insurance work together on a very large scale, involving piles of contracts and laws which must be satisfied. To you, it looks like they got a 90% discount; to them (as others indicated above), they have to play all kinds of games with those numbers, charging inordinate amounts in order to get what they need via expected discounts. If they think you’re going to get Medicare involved, they have to hike the bill so when the feds refuse to pay the full amount they’ll get what they actually want/need out of it. When your insurance got involved, they manage to negotiate discounts & suitable understandings because they’re buying services in such huge amounts (economy of scale etc.).
Your mistake (aside from trying to go without insurance!) was not going to the hospital cashier and saying “WTH?” and offering, say, $2K.
Upshot: it’s a whole lot more complicated than just a 90% discount.
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