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Newly Installed Wind Turbines Idled by Minnesota's Winter
TwinCities.com ^ | 01/23/2010 | Tad Vezner

Posted on 02/01/2010 10:54:44 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta

Last year, about a dozen Minnesota communities dreamed of clean, green energy: spinning windmills powering hundreds of homes.

Now, months after the deadline, the windmills stand largely immobile, and communities are still waiting for the power to flow.

Eleven cities, including North St. Paul and Anoka, are participating in the wind turbine project, each getting a 115-foot windmill via the Minnesota Municipal Power Association, or MMPA.

The turbines were to be fully operational by Nov. 7. To date, the number is zero.

One reason offered this week at a North St. Paul City Council meeting: hydraulic fluid and lubricating oil in the turbines' gear boxes.

In cold weather, the fluid turns gel-like and doesn't flow, said Derick Dahlen, president of Avant Energy, which manages the MMPA.

That can be particularly problematic if the turbines are already at a standstill.

To fix the problem, a contractor installed heating elements this week in the turbines.

In addition, heat tracing is likely to be added to the hydraulic lines and lubrication oil system.

The windmills each cost about $417,000 and have been erected in Anoka, Arlington, Brownton, Buffalo, Chaska, East Grand Forks, Le Sueur, North St. Paul, Olivia, Shakopee and Winthrop, as well as at the MMPA's energy park in Faribault.

To fund the project, MMPA sold $5 million in zero-interest bonds.

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To: Cold Heart

I know what, let’s build a small power generating plant next to each windmill to generate the power to run the heaters to melt the snow off the solar cells to heat the oil to allow the windmill to run.......and the green grass grew all around, all around, and the green grass grew all around............


41 posted on 02/01/2010 11:18:25 AM PST by Red Badger (Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.)
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To: COBOL2Java
Said heating elements powered by...?

Unicorns on treadmills.

42 posted on 02/01/2010 11:18:38 AM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: Tax-chick
It is the bio-diesel that gels up.
The ethanol contaminated gas just collects water and corrodes your fuel system, especially small or carbureted engines.
43 posted on 02/01/2010 11:20:16 AM PST by Cold Heart
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To: WOBBLY BOB
So when the President is given a standing ovation for mentioning ten times the phrase renewable power and clean energy, this is one turkey that will just never fly. He can hope and change all he likes, but nothing will change that 20% figure.

Too bad that kind of info won't be on the front page of my local paper.

44 posted on 02/01/2010 11:20:58 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Cold Heart

Oh, okay. I had a feeling I didn’t have it quite right.


45 posted on 02/01/2010 11:22:38 AM PST by Tax-chick (Thou hast well drunken, man - who's the fool now?)
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To: Cold Heart

Global Warming Song... Minnesotans for GW.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJUFTm6cJXM


46 posted on 02/01/2010 11:27:03 AM PST by tflabo (Restore the Republic)
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To: Cold Heart
It is the bio-diesel that gels up. The ethanol contaminated gas just collects water and corrodes your fuel system, especially small or carbureted engines.

Why didn't they use Amsoil products?

47 posted on 02/01/2010 11:28:36 AM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Tax-chick

Here in PA they used to mix a little kerosene in with the diesel for the school buses. Last year they had to stop doing that because of emissions, and use some new miracle additive.

That didn’t work.


48 posted on 02/01/2010 11:28:55 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Oil turning gel-like in winter.

Years ago a friend drove a tank truck from California to Alaska hauling synthetic oil for the equipment up there. Its advantage is that it doesn’t increase in viscosity as much when its cold. Lubricating mechanical devices in cold weather is thoroughly explored territory.

I’m very skeptical that engineers designing the wind turbines didn’t design for winter temperatures.


49 posted on 02/01/2010 11:29:58 AM PST by frposty (I'm a simpleton)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

He lives out in the country and his nearest neighbor is about 1/4 mile away. He has about 6 acres.


50 posted on 02/01/2010 11:31:09 AM PST by kempster
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Yes, it's the worst of all worlds. They don't generate much energy. They cost a lot. They need tremendous maintenance. They are an eyesore. They kill incredible amounts of birds. They use up tons of space. They need governmental subsidies. I could go on but my blood pressure it going up. Windmills are a joke and would never be even considered by power engineers except in some very rare conditions. Only politicians (with no scientific or technical education) who are seduced by the energy charlatans would fall for the stupidity of it all. Just about any 2nd year Mechanical or Electrical Engineering Student at a good university could have told the politicians about all of this but those folks are just too dumb.
51 posted on 02/01/2010 11:31:23 AM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: COBOL2Java
Said heating elements powered by...?

Pixie dust...

52 posted on 02/01/2010 11:35:48 AM PST by AFreeBird
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To: Pessimist
No doubt powered off the grid.

The engineer that designed these turbines is now working for Government Motors.

53 posted on 02/01/2010 11:37:14 AM PST by TYVets (Let's Roll!!! The leadership of the GOP has no spine and no guts, but we conservatives do)
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To: TYVets

And apparently never heard of 5W oil. :)


54 posted on 02/01/2010 11:42:59 AM PST by Pessimist (u)
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To: Pessimist

Maybe they just should hire Jiffy Lube to go change the oil in spring and fall.


55 posted on 02/01/2010 12:02:18 PM PST by TYVets (Let's Roll!!! The leadership of the GOP has no spine and no guts, but we conservatives do)
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To: thackney
You mean it gets cold in Minnesota during the winter?

I recommend that they build an enclosure around the turbine and heat the enclosed space with natural gas. Then, to make the turbine move, they should install fans in front of the blades to blow the warmed air across the indoor blades. This should have the side benefit of keeping the output of the wind turbine constant, thus avoiding the typical problem of reduced output when the wind is not blowing.

This should still be significantly more cost effective that the greenies typical boondoggles...

56 posted on 02/01/2010 12:03:37 PM PST by Onelifetogive (Flame away...)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

It’s Bush’s fault...


57 posted on 02/01/2010 12:08:18 PM PST by coldoc
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To: Cold Heart

Diesel will also gel up. You’re wrong on the ethanol also.


58 posted on 02/01/2010 12:43:15 PM PST by clodkicker
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To: COBOL2Java

oh, that’s good. that’s very good.


59 posted on 02/01/2010 12:43:28 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Mass. elects Scott Brown. NVA:" for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my birth state")
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

The heating coils will be powered by electricity from the windmills which will be able to produce power because the heating coils thaw the windmills which will power the heating coils.....but fear not, any excess power will be diverted to the peasantry shivering below.


60 posted on 02/01/2010 12:52:07 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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