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To: lizol
The Shoah was a unique act of genocide - but only because the Holdomir and many, many others were acts of democide, not genocide.

Democide is the wholesale destruction of civilian populations. It includes genocide as a subset.

14 posted on 02/01/2010 4:21:24 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: agere_contra

Ciao agere_contra,

“The Shoah was a unique act of genocide - but only because the Holdomir and many, many others were acts of democide, not genocide.

Democide is the wholesale destruction of civilian populations. It includes genocide as a subset.”

What you say may even be logically true and a fine intellectual exercise... If you look at any wholesale slaughter there will always be something to set it apart.

Instead, I see what unites them: cold, detached rational purpose. Rational in the methods for achieving certain ends. “Rational” as sucide bombers are “rationally” used by the enablers.

Then if those slaughtered are in this category or in that (racial, class, eyeglass wearers, tribals or what have you) well that’s just intellectual hair-splitting.

The Holodomir and Mao’s Cultural revolution (and famines), were planned and executed in similar fashion as the Shoah. They were done cold and carefully (as opposed to popular riots). And in that - being akin to first degree (premeditated) murder on a vast scale - they are identical. THAT is the only real category that matters and not Genocide versus Democide. Not the racial, political, economic, tribal nature of the victims.


17 posted on 02/01/2010 4:53:28 AM PST by Youaskedforit
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To: agere_contra

Ciao agere_contra,

“The Shoah was a unique act of genocide - but only because the Holdomir and many, many others were acts of democide, not genocide.

Democide is the wholesale destruction of civilian populations. It includes genocide as a subset.”

What you say may even be logically true and a fine intellectual exercise... If you look at any wholesale slaughter there will always be something to set it apart.

Instead, I see what unites them: cold, detached rational purpose. Rational in the methods for achieving certain ends. “Rational” as sucide bombers are “rationally” used by the enablers.

Then if those slaughtered are in this category or in that (racial, class, eyeglass wearers, tribals or what have you) well that’s just intellectual hair-splitting.

The Holodomir and Mao’s Cultural revolution (and famines), were planned and executed in similar fashion as the Shoah. They were done cold and carefully (as opposed to popular riots). And in that - being akin to first degree (premeditated) murder on a vast scale - they are identical. THAT is the only real category that matters and not Genocide versus Democide. Not the racial, political, economic, tribal nature of the victims.


18 posted on 02/01/2010 4:55:49 AM PST by Youaskedforit
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