Posted on 01/31/2010 7:54:31 AM PST by speelurker
Steorn did their "overunity demo" of their e-Orbo technology today at the Waterways building in Dublin, Ireland where they have had several copies of their electromagnetic devices on display since Dec. 15, minus a break through Christmas and New Years.
Steorn CEO, Sean McCarthy summarized the tests that have been done until now and then gave a final piece of evidence, live.
If their technology is what they say it is, it could provide a new, clean energy source that is affordable and available 24/7/365 and scalable to whatever size is needed, large or small, pulling inexhaustible energy from the environment.
(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...
I think the true story will emerge when other folks go in and test the demonstration unit and report their findings. As they say, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
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Did they find Tesla’s missing trunk full of papers?
“Then, McCarthy showed a scope shot comparing the electrical input energy to the electrical output energy, showing a net gain in inductance or gain in energy (harvested from the environment somehow, in the tradition of Nikola Tesla). One curve represented the gain in output energy after each pulse, rising from left to right; and the other curve represented the sum of input energy during the same period. That curve was shown to be well below the output curve, hence yielding the conclusion of “overunity”.”
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I’m digging through my old toybox even as we speak. I think my cold fusion apparatus is somewhere next to my A-team action figures and my Atari game controller.
For the curious, here’s some links to replication efforts:
http://www.youtube.com/user/TinselKoala#p/a/u/0/oBxjjSBsSVI
http://jnaudin.free.fr/steorn/indexen.htm
All of that sums up to (at least) something interesting going on.
Video excerpt of Steorn making and “proving” the claim:
http://www.youtube.com/user/reeeeeely#p/a/u/0/xkKPfhQgEVk
“McCarthy said that the data they had recently collected showed 320% more electrical energy being produced compared to the electrical energy being input.”
This is the sort of “proof” the free energy types have been providing for years on various devices. No back EMF, integrating O-scope traces, voltage and current in vs out, blah, blah, blah. When I see a standalone device running off of it’s own output, with NO other power source connected, then I’ll start to believe. At 320% efficiency, you’d think enough spare power would be available for the thing to drive itself.
Oh yeah, AND the device has to be in a Faraday cage.
Yeah, the battery really makes this a non-event for most folks.
The type of power this thing outputs is cyclic in nature - and most importantly out of phase with the required cyclic input power.
If you add enough circuitry and components to get around the phasing issue, you can have a completely closed loop system without a battery. But then it’s more complicated and susceptible to claims of trickery.
If you keep it simpler and use a battery as a reservoir to get around the phasing issue, then the lay person can’t buy into it. But the setup is simpler, the principles of operation are clearer, and it’s easier to prove/disprove what is going on. They didn’t even put a load on the pickup coil - just shorted it. I think that was to keep yet another component out of the system.
I still think the true “proof” will emerge (if it does at all) over the next 4 weeks when Tom, Dick and Harry walk in there and perform independent measurements.
Steorn CEO Sean McCarthy Responds to Criticsm of Final Orbo Demo:
http://www.freeenergytimes.com/?p=403
Use capacitors for the reservoir and phase shifting if it’s so vital. Use rectifiers and synchronized inverters if that’s what it takes—but make the closed loop and convince the engineers and physicists. Going after the layman first reeks of deception.
I think you misread what I posted.
Steorn has repeatedly said they are not interested in proving anything to laymen. They are only interested in getting product developers on board. In order to do that in a convincing and transparent way, they put together the simplest implementation of the effect with the smallest number of components possible.
To me, closed loop is sexy and primarily appeals to the layman. What they did is quite compelling for engineers and scientists. It was very simple and very transparent. The measurement (if you believe they didn’t fake it or otherwise screw it up) said everything engineers and scientists care about.
That power graph is a lot more convincing to me than a rube goldberg contraption supposedly powering itself.
http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=62653&page=1#Item_0
It's not clear they are correctly figuring the output generator coil power. It looks like there using the ohms dc resistance of the output coil and the current flow measurement only, to compute the output power. This would only be correct if the output coil had no inductive reactance which is highly unlikely. They have stated before that the output generator on the Orbo demo device is nothing unusual (just the input motor part is Orbo). The inductive reactance of the output coil would create a sizeable lag between current and voltage waveforms. The real power (I2R, joule heating type power) is only the overlap between the current and voltage waveforms. Unless the current and voltage waveforms are perfectly aligned you cannot simply compute real power. This is a common mistake.
Translated: they may have measured the output power wrong and thus overestimated it. If by enough, then their claim to OU will evaporate.
That single power graph was impressive. The video of the demo should be on Steorn’s site tomorrow and I’m looking forward to watching it again.
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