24-week abortion
Posted on 01/29/2010 9:49:10 AM PST by FutureRocketMan
WICHITA, Kan. — A man who said he killed prominent Kansas abortion provider Dr. George Tiller in order to save the lives of unborn children was convicted Friday of murder.
The jury deliberated for just 37 minutes before finding Scott Roeder, 51, of Kansas City, Mo., guilty of premeditated, first-degree murder in the May 31 shooting death.
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I am unaware of anyone on these boards who has held Tiller up as a hero. Clearly, some have held up his cold-blooded murderer as such. That is wrong and unworthy of anyone attempting to lay claim to morality.
So in response to her attack on others who supposedly lack "moral courage," I asked her if she had it.
She has yet to respond.
If you wish me to answer your questions, I will be glad to, but they are irrelevant to the discussion I'm having with eleni regarding her claims of "moral courage."
It's perplexing, because if you take 2 steps back and look at the context, the whole situation is legally and morally deranged. Here we have this serial child killer, operating in a state, Kansas, where --- even given Roe vs Wade --- the late-pregnancy abortions he committed were in fact strictly illegal. He got away with it for decades, piling up thousands of corpses, because he had the support of the Kansas political establishment, up to and including the governor of the state. (Now HHS Secretary!)
And if you take another 2 steps back and look at the even larger context, you see that child-kiling has had the political protection of both political parties and the tacit acceptance of even those who say they are opposed it it, to the extent that over 2 generations now, 1/3 of our children have been mutilated and discarded. Nations of children have been murdered.
All this with periodic hand-wringing and speechifying and wailing (I include myself in the ranks of the feckless hand-wringers) ---but on and on it goes.
So this fellow Roeder, with good intentions and all the ringing moral clarity of a cracked terracotta pot, decides to just shoot the child-killer. Which, if approved via jury nullifiation, would open the door for ad-hoc vigilantes gunning down abortionists in every state --- why not? And why stop there? Many passionate people have no lack of good reasons to take their turn at moral self expression via homicide.
Deus vult, Allah akbar and Ecrasez l'infame. The end of the world in flames.
OK. So much for the context.
Should Roeder have been allowed to explain to the jury why he committed this act? Thus opening the door to jury nullification?
Or to the judge? (It seems to me it would be a mitigating factor ---I suppose this would be in the sentencing phase.)
Not being a lawyer and not being acquainted with Kansas law, I don't know when or to whom that explanation should properly be given. But it seems to me that there should be some time when such an explanations should be admitted.
If you twist my arm and make me choose, this is how I would choose: at the sentencing phase, to the judge.
May God have mercy on our souls.
Thank you again for your sincere and understandable thoughts. I do believe that we are a nation of laws and that we should not become a nation of vigilantes. In my opinion, the fight to overturn abortion laws should be done within the confines of the law; be it before the courts, education, and legal protests and awareness efforts.
Reality would suggest that the moral decline of our society makes it unlikely that abortion will ever again become illegal. That being said, I do believe, hope and pray that late-term abortions stand a chance at becoming illegal procedures.
So in response to her attack on others who supposedly lack “moral courage,” I asked her if she had it.”
It's actually a good question. Any answer other than “yes” means that deep down one knows they don't have the moral right to make that choice.
It was a kangaroo court starting way back before the shooting, from Sibelius on down to and including the public defender.
It isn't a matter of lack of courage to eschew vigilanteism, it is a matter of understanding that we as individuals do not have the moral right to take another human being's life, regardless of what they have done.
Everyone who is pro-life was relieved that Tiller was gone, but no one, IMO, looking to a Righteous God for guidance is going to conclude that shooting a man in cold blood was the righteous thing to do.
Babies are GOD’S!
If we had 20 thousands of Scott’s, Doctors would not do the killing of Babies any more.
If we had 500 of Scott’s, Doctors would not do the killing of Babies any more.
If tomorrow all th doctors who kill babies were killed who would replace them.
How many babies would be saved?
I would have voted “not guilty”, too, just to get a mistrial so the re-set button could be hit and Roeder could get a court-appointed attorney instead of that pathetic public defender.
The defense bar are mostly a bunch of lefties so nobody stepped up to advise Roeder he should press his right to competent counsel. If Roeder was a lefty who shot a cop, they’d be crawling all over him, especially if he was black. But none of them want to draw attention to his cause. Their attitude is to just shut up, sweep the SOB and the case under the carpet, and keep bemoaning the POS dead baby killer.
Some people just need killing.
We already have anarchy. It is called Roe v Wade, which in the guise of law, and yet utterly antithetical to it, removed the protection of law from a whole class of human beings.
Cordially,
I am extremely uncomfortable with the implication of your post. I understand your passion over the topic of abortion but I would caution you that your promotion of murdering hundreds and thousands of doctors who perform abortions is not wise and could be mistaken for a serious threat.
Nor should you.
This would have been a great case for jury nullification. If Roeder hadn’t had such a piss poor lawyer, that might have been possible.
Yes, there is.
If you know someone has killed innocents before and is an evil killing machine who will do it again and has said so, then I say go for it.....with the knowledge that you will forfeit at least your freedom and possibly your life.
If Roeder gets the DP, he will die for the sins of the people of KS who allowed Tiller to operate there.
I’m not excusing him, but he didn’t shoot Tiller because of what he had done. He said that he shot him because of what he was going to do—continue to kill more babies.
And, secondly, he said he did it because the law refused to act. Although Tiller had violated Kansas law numerous times, and should have been closed down, he corruptly bribed politicians and bought elections in order to avoid prosecution.
“Premeditated murder should have gotten this nut case the death penalty.”
Okay, let me see if I have this right. Tiller killed innocent babies in the womb. He sucked their brains out so their little skulls collapsed. He did this THOUSANDS of times and indicated he would not stop. Roeder comes along and says, “Enough already” and blows Tiller away. Now YOU want Roeder to be put to death by the same all-knowing, all-powerful state that let Tiller operate his corrupt and barbaric chamber of horrors in the first place.
Makes sense to me. /sarc
You, my FRiend, are a statist.
I don’t have the guts to do what Scott did but if our founding fathers came back from the dead they would pick up guns along with Scott. I would love to see 500 Scotts! And it still a free country, I will say want I want!
Roeder testified on his behalf. It didn't help that he repeatedly admitted to shooting Tiller, and that he'd gone to the church twice before to kill Tiller, but that he hadn't shown up. He did give his motives and his attorney repeated them during closing arguments. What the judge refused to allow was for the jury to consider manslaughter. It was either convict for murder or let him go.
“You, my FRiend, are a statist.”
And You are a fool and not worth my time....
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