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Can Climate Forecasts Still Be Trusted?
Der Spiegel (Germany) ^ | January 27, 2010 | Gerald Traufetter

Posted on 01/27/2010 4:21:03 AM PST by Schnucki

First, it was a series of e-mails that led many to begin doubting the veracity of climate scientists. Then, the United Nations climate body itself had to reverse dire predictions about the melting of glaciers in the Himalayan Mountains. Other claims have raised doubts as well.

The Siachen Glacier is home to the world's highest crisis region. Here, at 6,000 meters (19,680 feet) above sea level, Indian and Pakistani soldiers face off, ensconced in heavily armed positions.

The ongoing border dispute between the two nuclear powers has already claimed the lives of 4,000 men -- most of them having died of exposure to the cold.

Now the Himalayan glacier is also at the center of a scientific dispute. In its current report, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) predicts that the glacier, which is 71 kilometers (44 miles) long, could disappear by 2035. It also predicts that the other 45,000 glaciers in the world's highest mountain range will be virtually gone by then, with drastic consequences for billions of people in Asia, whose life depends on water that originates in the Himalayas. The IPCC report led environmental activists to sound the alarm about a drama that could be unfolding at the "world's third pole."

"This prognosis is, of course, complete nonsense," says John Shroder, a geologist and expert on glaciers at the University of Nebraska in Omaha. The results of his research tell a completely different story.

For the past three decades, the US glaciologist has been traversing the majestic mountains of the Himalayan region, particularly the Karakorum Range, with his measuring instruments. The discoveries he has made along the way are not consistent with the assessment long held by the IPCC. "While many glaciers are shrinking, others are stable and some are even growing," says Shroder.

Untenable

(Excerpt) Read more at spiegel.de ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: amazongate; climatechangedata; climategate; climategatecom; glaciergate; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; globalwarmingscandal; ipcc; pachaurigate
"One of the problems is that working for the IPCC is a time-consuming honorary appointment for scientists. 'This means that it is not always the best people in their field who are willing to contribute their time and effort,' ...

"On the other hand, the community is sometimes reluctant to include troublesome critics in its efforts."

1 posted on 01/27/2010 4:21:03 AM PST by Schnucki
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Beam me to Planet Gore !

2 posted on 01/27/2010 4:31:41 AM PST by steelyourfaith (FReepers were opposed to Obama even before it was cool to be against Obama.)
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To: Schnucki

Climatology is second only to phrenology in its predictive ability.


3 posted on 01/27/2010 4:43:13 AM PST by DOGEY
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To: Schnucki

Let’s face it. Climate change was a millenial construct that allowed weathermen to become heroes ... for awhile. Now they are just weathermen again.


4 posted on 01/27/2010 4:55:30 AM PST by AdaGray (uw)
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To: Schnucki

When Der Spiegel, a reliable AGW promoter, publishes criticism of the IPCC, you know a lot more criticism is coming. They will start with the recent retractions and eventually get to the phony algorithms and falsified data.


5 posted on 01/27/2010 5:24:28 AM PST by Freds2nd
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To: Schnucki
Can Climate Forecasts Still Be Trusted?

The larger question is:

"Can ANYTHING from the government, or that is government influenced, be trusted?"

6 posted on 01/27/2010 5:24:45 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Pork Eating CRUSADER - FUBO! Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: Schnucki

It isnt only climate scientists.

We were all supposed to die from H1N1 this year. So far the flu season has been especially light around my neck of the woods.

The History channel has turned from being the History Channel to being the channel of the Apocolypse. All they ever show any more is end of the world shows.


7 posted on 01/27/2010 5:24:46 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Schnucki

The word “still” is misleading in the title. Climate forecasts were NEVER trustworthy.


8 posted on 01/27/2010 5:28:54 AM PST by MortMan (Stubbing one's toes is a valid (if painful) way of locating furniture in the dark.)
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To: Schnucki
Can Climate Forecasts Still Be Trusted?

Uh...no they can't.

Garbage in...garbage out...

9 posted on 01/27/2010 5:31:41 AM PST by NELSON111
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To: Schnucki
"Hide the decline."

I think not.

10 posted on 01/27/2010 5:33:35 AM PST by Only1choice____Freedom (FDR had the New Deal. President 0bama has the Raw Deal.)
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To: Schnucki

“No.”

Next question.


11 posted on 01/27/2010 5:36:15 AM PST by Little Ray (Madame President sounds really good to me...)
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To: AdaGray
"weathermen"

From sources I can't quote here (because I can't remember them), most average weathermen did not believe in AGW. In fact there are a number of prominent weathermen/metereologists like Joe Bastardi of Accu-Weather who flat out don't believe it.

12 posted on 01/27/2010 7:37:15 AM PST by driftless2 (for long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: driftless2

Yes. Those guys are honest. I did not mean to generalize about weathermen. It’s just those few ego maniacs who wanted money and attention that I meant to reference.


13 posted on 01/27/2010 10:10:13 AM PST by AdaGray
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To: Venturer

This week they segued from How the Earth Was Made directly to Life Without People.

Soon Discovery will have a documentary on Life Without the History Channel.


14 posted on 01/27/2010 11:18:25 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: Schnucki
Can Climate Forecasts Still Be Trusted?

http://abcnews.go.com/International/climate-change-forecasts-trusted/story?id=9685251 ABC carried the Der Spiegel story.

15 posted on 01/31/2010 9:08:35 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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