Skip to comments.China: SLBM Test Launch Failed (fell back to sub and almost sank it)
Posted on 01/26/2010 3:08:55 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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Granted, but the BUFF is American made. The other is Russian designed sub. Their record is less than spectacular.
So the proper epithet then would be “cheap Rooski crap”, not “50 years old”. ;-)
Bill Clinton needs to get right on this, he can have the technology in their hands within weeks!
Taiwan’s Liberity Time has as much as a credit of notorious Epoch Times, which means they won’t feel ashamed of making up news.
According to the Liberity Time, it is the US/Japan founded the launch failure, yet the first one to report this failure is this Taiwan news agency, aint it smell fishy?
Just take a huge grain of salt to any of the news come out of the mouths of this news source since it is notorious at making things up.
Do you have any examples of the Liberty Times making-up news?
This fact, in and out of itself, is not really a problem. It is common that intel agency sat on their findings, and let some foreign news outlet report them.
It is common that Japanese media reports news from S. Korean sources, but S. Korean media did not get it first. By the same token, S. Korean and Japanese news media report news sourced from U.S. sources but U.S. media did not break it first. There are many N. Korea related news reported by S. Korea, quoting Japanese news media whose source is in S. Korea. U.S. media reports news on N. Korea, first reported by S. Korean media whose source is American.
This kind of things happen so often that I do not see it as a problem. Their credibility is just as good as any other news on the average.
I don't know what other problems it had in the past, but this is not the one.
A Golf sub firing a knockoff Russian Bulvula missile (early model)... a recipe for failure.
They said this is from USA/Japan source yet there is not a single USA/Japan source to confirm it
Note JL-2 is not some small tool, its the SLBM targetting USA so the USA news agency covers EVERY SINGLE JL-2 launch tests, failure or not, yet nobody in the US report this wierd failure, only this third rate Epoch-time like “news agency” get this?
Let me tell you something:
The JL-2, just like the majority VLS systems in the world, lunched to a angel that not vertical to the ship, so even if it fail to power up, it wont come right down on the ship, it will travels a parabola, VLS launch system has already designed to avoid such failure, the “news reporter” has zero knowledge about a VLS system like JL-2 to make such amatuerish mistake when he write this science-fiction.
Yes, plenty of them
However most of these made-up news are about the taiwan’s own politics, thus you may not understand them unless you know taiwan’s politics reasonable well.
However an example you may know is, during Taiwan’s election, Liberity Times and thier gangs spreading ridiulus rumors like how the then candidate Mr. Ma get a US permant residency card, or how Ma’s wife, during her college days, have stolen some newspapers.
You know, they just like making up pathetic rumors to promote the low morale of the native taiwanese.
They have even gone as pathetic as use photo-shopped pictures in their news during the election.
When they are the primary source of any big news, and they refused to cite any creditable source, then 99% of the chance it is a totally-made-up, note: they are the third-rate “news agency”, never afforded to have alot of connections. Let along has any connection with the US intelligence etc.
This news is laughable if you know a little bit about the VLS system and JL-2 system.
Futhermore, the golf submarine was used to be a launch platform during JL’s early stage development, but the only modified golf for such purpose has retired and scrapped in 2005, this is confirmed by IISS’s world military balance.
So first, even if JL-2 failured, it wont hit the ship due to the design of the VLS system there, secondly, the golf-class launch test platform has already retired 4 years ago, so you can not use a golf to launch JL-2 several months ago, must be a ghost ship which did that J/K.
I was about to agree absolutely, but I’m going to defer to a real physicist here—the question would be whether the forward speed would actually increase when the density of the medium is reduced, or would merely take longer to decay in air than water. There seem to be a lot of real-world variables added to the situation, like the profile of the vertical missile in water raising a lot more resistance than the streamlined sub hull, and the amount of water the missile goes through on the way to the surface, but I’m really out of my element here.
As for availability of Golf-sub, they apparently brought it back with some refurbishment. Click this link for view of the gold sub, the article was dated Jan. 19, 2009.
This put additional uncertainty for the missile's behavior.
Must be a real downer for the Chinese.
If the pop-up alone was not powerful enough to clear the missile off the submarine body, this would probably be the moot point. If it is, then the missile trajectory could have been screwed up and taken more upwardly direction.
If this news of launch somehow turns out to be not true, I will accept it as it is. However, there is no glaring "technical error" in the news so far.
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