Obamacare Is Dead and Here's Why [Obamacare Ongoing Thread]

Town Hall ^ | 1-26-10 | Robert A. Levy

[JustPiper]

As the Massachusetts blame game unfolds, the president’s unpopular health bill leads the list. But the substantive provisions of the bill were just part of the problem. Perhaps more important, voters were appalled by how the deal unfolded.

Consider the pre-election giveaway to the labor unions. Negotiators agreed to exempt union contracts until 2018 from the tax on so-called Cadillac health-insurance plans. That backroom bargain not only outraged the voters, it also violated the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution, requiring the federal government to extend equal protection of the laws to all U.S. persons. Of course, not all voters understood the constitutional nuances, but they sensed that something was very wrong; and they reacted.

I have been disturbed by the socialists for years, ever since I learned many members of Congress 'openly' joined the DSA (Democratic Socialists of America). Several years ago, the names were published on the DSA site. (since removed of course) Please post any info you have, many of you have been on this issue for many years, & if we can store it all on one thread, we have our FreeRepublic Warehouse on the enemies of the state. How DO we combat this, when it's coming at us from every angle? When the people have been asleep for decades. Please post anything you have found or accumulated. Also choose a dictator these people follow, of particular interest,those in D.C. who have been quoted with their adulation of one.

Communism- Marxism-Leninism-Stalinism-Trotskyism-Maoism- Hoxhaism-Hoxhaism-Titoism ETC

[penelopesire]

It all makes perfect sense if you are a weasel democrat. Whether blue dog or marxist...none of them are truly taking moral or legal stands on our constitutional principles...or even their own communist ideals when all is said and done.

IT’S ALL ABOUT THEM..THEIR POWER, THEIR SEAT, OR KING OBAMA.

[thouworm]

The HayRide Update 3-19, 11:51 PM (from MacAoidh):

According to POLITICO, Obama will address the House Democratic Caucus at the Capitol at 3 PM Eastern time tomorrow. Harry Reid will be there as well.

That’s going to make for an interesting crowd-control situation, as the Tea Party Patriots, Americans For Tax Reform and FreedomWorks, among others, have a sizable rally planned for noon at the Capitol’s West Lawn, with Steve King, Michele Bachmann and actor Jon Voigt set to speak. Does anybody worry that things might get a little dicey?

Update 3-19, 11:15 PM: Tony Perkins and Steny Hoyer, two men with very little in common, both say that Stupak’s deal won’t work. We’ll see tomorrow. I’m going to bed.
Link:http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34731_Page2.html

Update 3-19, 10:50 PM: I was going to update my complete vote count tonight, but I’ve decided that would be a waste of time.

It is clear that Obamacare will fail if a Pelosi-Stupak deal does not successfully take place. What is not clear is whether such a purported deal can succeed, either technically, or within the Democratic caucus.

What I still find astonishing is the timing. Anyone who actually looked at the individual votes and counted them could see that the votes to pass Obamacare simply were not there. Incredibly, no one else did this — least of all Nancy Pelosi.

The damage that she has done to her own caucus is substantial, and she could lose the Speaker’s post over this. What was the point, for example, of forcing Rep. Ellsworth to seriously damage his U.S. Senate campaign earlier today by forcing him to declare his support for the bill? If she were going to make a deal with Stupak, she could have let Ellsworth keep his pro-life credentials instead of exposing him as a fraud.

I think a lot of Democratic members are going to be very, very angry with her for her incompetent handling of this situation, no matter whether Obamacare ends up passing or not. This is going to have lasting consequences for congressional Democrats.

http://thehayride.com/

[thouworm]

“none of them are truly taking moral or legal stands”

they’re not even taking RATIONAL stands; what’s taking place right now almost feels like some psychotic frenzy.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Or demon possessed.

[penelopesire]

Excellent point!

[JustPiper]

Caterpillar urging congress to vote AGAINST HC bill, guy from Dow Jones...will cost them 100 million the first year alone!

[JustPiper]

is CSpan covering our people?

[JustPiper]

Stupak
Was on Greta tonight
Rerun with his appearance coming up in a bit

Seeking a Solution

Rep. Stupak explains bill of ‘corrections’ to resolve abortion language conflict in health care
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4117080/seeking-a-solution

[thouworm]

one can only imagine how many....

[JustPiper]

Stupak on in a few min FNC

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2437390/posts?page=1368#1368

[thouworm]

checked schedule & cannot tell.

C-SPAN has live House Session from 10am-3pm & then FBI Budget til 5pm

C-SPAN2 looks to be tied up til 3pm and has open sots til 4:30pm

That would be a disappointment.

[thouworm]

“sots” lol... it’s late.

that would be “slots”

[JustPiper]

I vowed I would stay on top of this issue and shocking just in 24 hours look at all this!Obama to cut sweetheart deals from healthcare bill

Tough talk from Coburn---This is Feckin Awesome!

VIDEO:Coburn: Senate Republicans Will Watch for Sweetheart Deals in Health Care

VIDEO:Puzzling Statement: Obama Says ‘Louisiana Purchase’ Will Help With the Earthquake in Hawaii

Dealmaking is a delicate dance on Capitol Hill. But if the health care debate is any gauge, lawmakers are getting pretty good at doing the "twist."

The Art of the Deal: Lawmakers Hone Skills in Sweetening Health Bill

Issa: Giving back a bribe for a vote changes nothing

Sweet deals make health care plan worse, not better

Dems try, fail to kick their kickback addictions

Democrats unveiling revisions Thursday to their health care overhaul bill decided to kill the extra $100 million in Medicaid funds for Nebraska that has become a symbol of backdoor deal making. But the 153 pages of changes to the massive health care package include extra money for several other states.

'Cornhusker' Out, More Deals In: Health Care Bill Gives Special Treatment

Cornhusker Kickback Part II

Nebraska's Cornhusker Kickback gets the boot, while TN, ND make hay in revised health bill

Cornhusker Kickback is eliminated, but other perks are added to health care bill---Hello, special treatment for Tennessee and North Dakota.

New Sweetheart Deals for North Dakota and Tennessee in Health Care Bill

I find this more troubling than the Cornhusker Kickback: Democrats plan doc fix after health care reform is passed

Health Bill Boots Cornhusker Kickback, Includes Special Deals for Other States

PREMPTIVE REHAB

Obama Brings Dennis Kucinich On Air Force One For Health Care Speech

Kucinich Sells Out On Health Care After Ride In Air Force One

How To Get A Free Ride On Air Force One: Vote ‘No’ On HCR---Maybe if Bart Stupak holds out he will also get a free ride on Air Force One and a shout-out in a nationally televised health care rally. That’s what Dennis Kucinich got for voting no in the first round of health care votes, and then threatening to do so again.

Earlier today, I unveiled a new legislative package that will provide long-term water security to the people of California. The bill, titled the California Water Reliability Act, would immediately restore the flow of water to dry San Joaquin Valley communities. At the same time, it will provide the infrastructure needed to deliver long-term water reliability for rural, urban, and environmental purposes.

The California Water Reliability Act

On GB today & stated 2 Reps being 'bought' by diverting the water in their grasp for a "Socialist Utopia" (need names)

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[JustPiper]

One thing we do know, with the star lineup & the MASSES of our Patriots that will be there, FNC will cover it

[JustPiper]

Paulie the Mascot for the States that Say "No" To Health Care Reform

OxyMoron of the Day

Perriello to vote "yes"

Though Democrats are looking for a big vote Sunday on health care reform, the process could drag out for a while with Republicans looking to challenge the legislation and one Democrat mulling a new "sidecar" bill.

Not So Fast! Challenges Could Drag Out Health Bill Votes

States take aim to block healthcare plan

States' rights movement sweeping across America

1.Cuccinelli's office confirms Virginia will sue over health care
2.Idaho to Sue Feds Over Health Care Mandate
3 Florida Set To Sue Over Health Care Reform

FLA A.G. McCollum Set To Sue Over Health Care Reform

Obamacare: Idaho Law Now Requires the Attorney General to Sue

Three states pledge to challenge Obamacare if it is passed; 37 other states considering the same move

Louisiana Legislature Floating Bill Making Obamacare Illegal in State

States Say We Don’t Need No Stinkin’ Health Reform

STATES REDISCOVERING TENTH AMENDMENT

Proposed Missouri constitutional amendment would prevent federal health insurance mandate

[JustPiper]

HATTIP TO caww FOR REPOSTING:

The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals

(From a black pastor) Message from the President of STAND

Video: Democrat Rep. Perriello admits, “If you don’t tie our hands, we will keep stealing” By Michelle Malkin

Remember when civil disobedience was cool?

NPR: ‘Patriots’ Are Dangerous to Our Government---Obama endorses immigration blueprint

Earlier this year, Congress witnessed one of its more bizarre episodes. That was when seven Republicans actually voted against a proposal they had helped sponsor. The measure would have set up a bipartisan fiscal commission to examine where to cut the federal budget. But the seven Congressman in question failed to withstand pressure from their party to deny Barack Obama even the smallest of legislative achievements.

Is There Still A Center?

A Memorial to the Victims of Communism

Commie Uprising & the socialist ILK

Most Excellent Article

Obama does an about face

Democrats, the Party of Rugged Noncomformist Adults

Exposing the Southern Poverty Law Center…Now It’s Personal!

Gubernatorial Candidate Jerry Brown Tells Labor Unions to “Go on The Attack”

Democratic Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), an avid socialist who nearly destroyed Cleveland as that city’s mayor, has caved in to pressure from President Obama

Hope and Death Panels May Be on Their Way

White House Won't Rule Out That Obama Will Sign Other Bills--Such As Immigration Reform--That Are Not Put to Yea-or-Nay Votes in Both Houses

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

We Got A Long Way To Go...:0/

[JustPiper]

Awww...you remembered

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

Fo`Sho!

We’ll take that hill sooner or later,,,

Then we’ll have to take another one,,,

Till the war is won...

[JustPiper]

pdf: AMENDMENT IN THE NATURE OF A SUBSTITUTE TO H.R. 4872, AS REPORTED

What happens after they vote on Sunday?

From the White House to the Slaughter House

S.C. delegation clashes over health-care bill By JAMES ROSEN

How NC lawmakers will vote on health care reform

Congressman McIntyre won't budge on healthcare reform vote

As the leadership in the House tries to persuade fence-straddling Democrats to push health care reform over the finish line, a "talking points" memo is being widely circulated in Washington that purports to show that those same leaders and the Obama administration are secretly planning to push for an increase in Medicare payments -- an increase that would alter the cost of the bill.

Memo Purportedly Urges Dems to Keep Quiet on Critical Health Care Topics

Now that the House is closing in on vote day, I thought I’d sketch out briefly what happens Senate side once the House is done. I have something more detailed coming, for those who can stomach the read.
Will put it out tomorrow.
This is a VERY rough guess of days --- so don’t hold me to them. It’s just meant as a rough guide.

Up Next on Health Care: The Senate

President Barack Obama's sweeping health care legislation won precious support from a longtime liberal holdout in the House on Wednesday and from a retired Catholic bishop and nuns representing dozens of religious orders -- gaining fresh traction ahead of a climactic weekend vote.
"That's a good sign," said Obama, two weeks after taking personal command of a campaign to enact legislation in what has become a virtual vote of confidence on his still-young presidency.

Health bill gains ground but release delayed

Video:Paul Ryan: Double counting and spending in HCR bill will lead to massive debts and deficits

New Jersey's health care votes likely to split along partisan lines

Dems Scared Into Action By Everyone From Donors To The Base

Obama tell House Democrats their political fates depend on health care bill’s passage