Posted on 01/24/2010 4:52:57 PM PST by Hillary'sMoralVoid
It started out innocently in a conversation with a well-connected Democrat friend who is now-disillusioned Obama voter.
We were discussing the Massachusetts election, and I joked that I didn’t know if the Democrats could stand another three years under Obama. He fired back that he and several of his friends didn’t know if they could stand ONE more year under Obama.
I posited that the only way it could happen that fast is if you could get him out of office on something like an eligibility issue, and that I couldn’t imagine any Democrat would ever become a “birther”!
There was a silence for a few moments and then he confided that “one might surprised at what is being whispered about by disillusioned members at high levels in the party”. He cut the conversation off at that point and we reverted back to small talk.
This all sounded so not credible to me, but you can never underestimate the Democrats’ desire to stay in power. The more I pondered his words, the more intriguing and perhaps terrifying the outcomes became.
Consider this scenario, the Democrats actually let “birther” investigations to go forward, publicly condemning the Republicans for pushing the issues, while quietly not impeding or even facilitating them . Two outcomes can happen. Obama is proven eligible and the Republicans are embarrassed and fall from public grace. Obama retains power and Democrats regain some public confidence.
Should Obama be removed from office, it becomes the ultimate opportunity to play the race card, because the still-“conservative” Supreme Court would have to “conspire” with the "racist" Republicans to force Obama’s departure from office. Democrats could swear Obama’s innocence, a repeat of the Lewinsky defense, in which Bill Clinton came out more powerful politically. The Democrats could raise the race issue with the Republicans until the end of recorded time for removing the first Black President from office.
At the precipice of their political comeback, the Republicans could fall hard! A Democrat "Rope a Dope"?
Admittedly this is a shameless self post, maybe I’m reading more into this than was really there. If you disagree, flame away, pull the post, and tell me to take my meds and go to my room.
BM
Agree on all your points; particularly the toxicity chain/sigh. We have a landfill in the making.
And yes, no question that Clinton's would love political revenge; but am wondering if they have not already been dealt with, before Election. Don't think among these people there is any 'cover'; only political debts and threats. Of course, there are bigger arms in Washington to be hugged by. . . so who knows. . .
And yes, three years, way too long a time, given the threat behind all of Obama's political proclivities. We must work to insure that even an election in 2012 is not by then; no more than a luxury of our thinking.
Do you really and truly think that Biden would step in??? I find it amazing that anyone would think Biden would take over in view of the fact of his coverup. Doesn’t the cover up constitute fraud??? As I said, we are definitely in uncharted waters and under normal circumstances I believe you are probably right but I think McCain could be ‘appointed’ to complete Obama’s term. BTW, I have indeed read the constitution and while it doesn’t say the person with the next highest number of votes would be put in the position, it also makes no mention of a situation where all of the people in power have committed fraud. Hence, unchyarted waters!
The deep breath before the plunge...
Although I am an agnostic on the birth issue, the biggest argument AGAINST there being any fire among the smoke is that Shrillary! did not use it in the primary. And as we all know, the Clintons have THE BEST dirt diggers.
They also had a whole lot of dirt on themselves. I’m sure a deal was struck.
There used to be many youtube videos documenting the electoral college vote, but I only found two this morning. Contrast between 2009 when Cheney didn't ask if there were any objections as required by law and 2005 when he did ask and there was an objection.
Cheney might have asked if there were any objections, but before he has a chance to, Pelousy jumps up and starts clapping like a mad woman and the everyone joins her in a standing ovation. There does appear to be one lone man with his hand half raised as if to object, but he's never recognized.
I strongly suggest you read the 25th Amendment to the Constitution.
I find it amazing that anyone would think Biden would take over in view of the fact of his coverup. Doesn’t the cover up constitute fraud???
Then impeach him and say "Hello" to President Nancy Pelosi.
...but I think McCain could be ‘appointed’ to complete Obama’s term.
Again, read the 25th Amendment and also the Presidential Succession Act of 1947. You will find that the losing candidate is nowhere to be found in the line of succession.
BTW, I have indeed read the constitution and while it doesn’t say the person with the next highest number of votes would be put in the position, it also makes no mention of a situation where all of the people in power have committed fraud.
If you read it like you said then you must also have read the 12th and 20th Amendment. A majority of electoral votes is needed for a candidate to be declared president otherwise it goes to Congress. McCain didn't come anywhere near that number.
Hence, unchyarted waters!
All you need to do is read the Constitution and the laws in place. That tells us what to do.
Wednesday, July 15, 2009 1:01:06 PM · 243 of 347 Surtur to Danae
Donning the old tinfoil hat
If Obama's place of birth is going to be examined and it is found that he was born outside the US, then one has to wonder if the last year and a half hasn't been part of a long term plan by the Clintonistas and the DNC. I am speculating that Bill-n-Hil knew of Obama's birth situation, and they set in motion a plan to allow Obama to be elected knowing full well he was incapable of governing effectively. This plan is as follows:
Step 1)Get Obama elected and give him free reign for the first year to muck up any and everything he wishes while simultaneously installing members of the Clinton machine in key gov. positions
Step 2)Make sure he has a VP with a history of illness (Biden has had a couple of aneurisms)
Step 3)In the middle of his second year, have his VP resign due to illness and replace with Hillary who is strategically in place as Obama's Sec. State
Step 4)Finally allow Obama's real birth information to emerge via a legal challenge that is also allowed to proceed.
Step 5)Once Obama's real history is known, have him graciously resign in the first few months of his third year stating that he was unaware of his true birth info as he always believed what his mother and grandparents had told him
Step 6)Have Hil assume the presidency with less than two years of the term remaining. She will then reverse many of Obama's most egregious mistakes and will be seen by many as a savior after Obama's system wide meltdown. This will let the Clintons run for two more terms giving them almost 5 full terms in power if the plan succeeds
I am actually aware of, and fully instrumental to, this very plan.
If any of it is true- what’s the possible advantage to Hillary or whomever to wait another year? Doesn’t this first year already seem like 4 years? We’re exhausted.
I am furious with Fox and their yappers as well a Rush. These guys **KNOW** that their is something very wrong with Obama’s eligibility and the **deliberately** choose not to report it.
____________________________________________________________I totally agree and it pains me to think that Fox would betray the people’s trust but, apparently, they are doing just that. It seems there is no one in the media that we can trust. The Communists have achieved their goals regarding the press in America.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
Thank God for the internet or we would be completely in the dark.
It’s a chess-like strategy that most Dems or Republicans for that matter, don’t have the balls to pursue. If Obama was ousted then they would face the problem of Biden. A true blue idiot if there ever was one.
I repeat, we are in uncharted waters. I cannot stress that enough. President Biden(?) or President Pelosi(?)...both of whom will most likely be charged with fraud, along with Hillary. I can read those things until the cows come home but the current scenario is not covered in any of the amendments or anywhere else that I and attorneys that I have worked for have found. I agree that the losing candidate is nowhere to be found in there but neither is anything found on what happens in the current scenario where all principals are accused/charged/indicted for fraud.
If you can cite me an amendment, anywhere in the constitution or the Presidential Succession Act of 1947 that outlilnes the proper steps for replacing an ineligible president with his VP or Speaker of the House or his SOS, all of whom have committed fraud, I will gladly and graciously concede that you are 100% right and I am 100% wrong. I am not trying to be argumentative, I just want to feel that there is a solution to this problem. I am so tired of losing sleep over the condition of our country and where we are headed. Maybe I’m grasping for straws but I know that the answer is somewhere, even if it is not in print.
Frankly, I wouldn’t be too happy with McCain and it would seem the legal President would be Byrd. That is not a comforting thought but I do believe he is a true patriot. His age is disconcerting. At that age you have to wonder if there is a senility issue. What a mess we are in!!!
Here are some new comments by Rev. Manning posted in this new thread on a thepostemail.com story:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2436583/posts
MRS. RONDEAU: What impact do you think this will have if it is proven that he won the presidency through completely false circumstances?
DR. MANNING: Initially, it will set the movement of black people back, and I think it will set the racial problem back a few steps when the news finally becomes a reality. What is happening now is that most people in America, at least 49-51% of Americans, have some idea about his being an ineligible candidate, and so it would not be a total shock. It isn’t as if they’d heard it for the very first time. They’ll be prepared to some degree, and by the time it finally does filter out, there will be a campaign to prepare people to receive it. I think that what it will do is it will first set the relationships back a bit; the civil rights leaders will pick up again. Jesse Jackson will get steam again. But then they will lose it, and I think it will then advance the racial problems in America ahead 100 years. By that I mean black people and white people will finally recognize that it was the epitome of racism to have voted for Obama and that they will ultimately repent of it and stop dividing America along racial lines. It was just the worst thing to have done, to continue to promote racism, and I think after Obama, black people and white people can begin to legitimately lose their black and white identities and move forward as Americans.
At some point there’s got to be a gathering of the bigwigs in the party (the not-HowardDean-wing) who ask themselves and each other- do we really want to stay aligned with this man who is ruining the party?
Good post! Republicans need to step back and be prepared to say
“Look, this is what happens when a party fails to properly vet their candidate.”
We’ve let reverse racism and political correctness screw us again.
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