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Liberals gin up their engines for kamikaze missions
Washington Examiner ^ | 01/21/10 | Chris Stirewalt

Posted on 01/23/2010 10:10:51 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster

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To: patton

The problem is that there may be no candidate in the race with whom you can agree 100%. In fact, I can pretty much guarantee that.

If everyone on the ticket is pro-abortion, I can either vote for the one who is most otherwise conservative, or I can sit it out and pout and let the leftist candidate win.

Sitting on the sidelines is not a patriotic option.


81 posted on 01/25/2010 5:46:35 AM PST by Jedidah (Be bold, be sharp, be blunt -- but show a kind conservative heart. The world watches and takes note.)
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To: patton

They weren’t kamikazes. They flew heavily armored FW-190s and generally expected to survive the ramming attack (if the survived the approach...).

The Nazis DID design some suicide aircraft - mostly human guided missiles that went with a giant bomber project. However, Hitler generally didn’t approve of suicide weapons.


82 posted on 01/25/2010 5:57:22 AM PST by Little Ray (Madame President sounds really good to me...)
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To: tet68
Nanzi Pelosi goes commando. Just try and get that picture out of your head, I dare you.

You're damn lucky I ain't a moderator!

83 posted on 01/25/2010 6:15:53 AM PST by houeto
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To: tet68

that my friend is just not right....I am afraid to close my eyes now...


84 posted on 01/25/2010 6:18:55 AM PST by Gone_Postal
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To: patton; umgud; doberville; truthguy; gibtx2; J Edgar; tet68; null and void; FrankR; GeronL; ...

Patton, you and I agree on our stance on the topic of abortion. It also sounds like you and I live in areas of the country that have strong GOP candidates that can win.

Let me expound on two extremes ... where the rubber of political ideology hits the road of political grass-roots realities.

Last week, we had a Tea Party-sponsored debate in my area for a long-held Republican STATE Representative office. The Representative is well-liked and retiring after decades of public service. Of the four candidates, ALL of them were exceptionally well-qualified and ALL of them gave the “appropriate” responses to a highly-skeptical Tea Party audience.


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Two of the candidates were physicians (both VERY much against ObamaCare), one is the President of the local school board, and one was a former councilwoman with a strong Conservative record (she showed up a little late for the debate because she was at her young son's football game). Again, I could vote for any of them in November. My only beef with one of the candidates was he was not in support of school vouchers and charter schools using school board money. I am “working” with him on that issue, and perhaps I can persuade him otherwise ...
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It’s fantastic to have a selection of strong Conservative candidates who believe as you do — and actually will likely win with the voting electorate. Our GOP Primary starts in March, and it will be tough to decide on who is the best Conservative candidate for my vote.


HOWEVER ...

Not all Conservatives are in my lucky position.

Some Conservatives live in regions of west or east coast where, for example, an Oklahoma Republican would have a snowball’s chance in hell to become elected.

Conservative “activists” (I hate that word) in that region can try to change voter core values by educating the public about the virtues of a smaller government, the horrors of abortion, the value of school vouchers, etc. But in the end, it's sometimes the equivalent of pissing in the wind against decades of Progressive indoctrination to support a winning, TRULY Conservative candidate to victory to thus change public policy.

Listen to Hannity's "Man on the Street" interviews to hear some of the utter stupidity that exists out there that we have to counter — and educate — as Conservatives.

Another problem can be getting well-qualified Conservative candidates are willing to run for office and WHO CAN WIN. It’s not an issue of their PRINCIPLES, but sometimes an issue of their ability to counter a slime campaign from the Democratic opponent, the Democrat has a better PR machine and can get in the local newspapers more often, or the Conservative just lacks charisma.

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God bless Doug Hoffman for stepping up to the plate in NY-23 last November! He had a very active Conservative base pushing him, and he was the focal point of NATIONAL Conservatism and anti-establishment fervor and RINO selection by the RNCC. But even as Hoffman himself said in many interviews — a CPA by trade — he’s not very charismatic. In his case, in his district, his anti-establishment persona almost won that race! By contrast, Coakley’s dead-pan stage presence assisted her in losing on January 20 to hearken Scott Brown’s win.

But in reality, as I see it anyway, not all races have wise voters who can see through the BS to elect Doug Hoffman-type candidates representing Conservative values. I want Conservatism to minimize Progressivism for the next 50 years — and I think we can. But if you know anything about psychology and public opinion, it CAN take time to alter core values of voters in large groups of people that can translate into PUBLIC POLICY.


So, what do you do if you live in such an area that you have an uphill battle against entrenched Progressivism?

Do you vote for the Independent Conservative candidate who CONSISTENTLY polls at 5%?
- OR -
Do you vote for the RINO who CONSISTENTLY polls at 45% the weekend before the General Election?

I try to hold to my values, as you do. But all things considered, in the General Election, IF I lived in one of those purple areas of the country and it PAINS me to no end to write thisI’d consider voting for the electable RINO than the utter unelectable Conservative or Libertarian independent candidate.

Not all political races are the same, and not all candidates are equally accepted by the voting electorate ... for example, I’m unsure that a Doug Hoffman would do well in downtown Los Angeles, even as the political pendulum swings far Right in 2010 ...

I am open minded on this, though.

I’d honestly like your (and anyone else's) opinion on this and how to properly gore this beast.


85 posted on 01/25/2010 9:35:23 AM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2

the objective of them is to make us move to the RINO option because they can use them like mccain.

our objective to lot select who we unelect. So careful use of time and effort is important.

i suggest we develop with the heap of freeper nation a national point and click call center for all of retired out of work types to use and have the likely candidate to win selected as the first priority.. then rank the rest when you have time ...


86 posted on 01/25/2010 9:47:48 AM PST by gibtx2 (keep up the good work I am out of work but post 20 a month to this out of WF Check)
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To: BP2; patton; umgud; doberville; truthguy; gibtx2; J Edgar; tet68; null and void; GeronL

2nd Request...please drop me from this ping list.


87 posted on 01/25/2010 10:09:02 AM PST by FrankR (There will be no jobs until it is profitable for employers to hire people....PERIOD.)
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To: gibtx2; All

> So careful use of time and effort is important.

That time is obviously NOW for Freepers to get involved in the
process of selecting true Conservatives to win in the Primaries,
before November rolls around and we’re stuck with
well-financed RINOs who slide through in the Spring.


88 posted on 01/25/2010 10:09:12 AM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: FrankR

Sorry, Frank.

Done.


89 posted on 01/25/2010 10:16:12 AM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2

Thanks


90 posted on 01/25/2010 10:32:29 AM PST by FrankR (There will be no jobs until it is profitable for employers to hire people....PERIOD.)
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To: BP2

Let’s be clear here. Doug Hoffman was the superior candidate. He was prolife through and through. I hear what you are saying, but there is zero indication to support your contention that prolife conservatives are unelectable in the NE. Hoffman exploded that myth.

Why did he lose? Because the RINOS as usual backed the democrats. RINOS would sooner backstab conservatives than pitch in.

Imagine if Hoffman had won the nomination, and had the full backing of the RNC behind the scenes instead of Dede Scozzaflava, who took the money and ran.


91 posted on 01/25/2010 1:43:32 PM PST by BenKenobi (;)
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To: BP2
I’d honestly like your (and anyone else's) opinion on this and how to properly gore this beast.

In the cold and sunless space of political calculus, there are those districts which are unwinable.

They are populated so heavily by the true believers, useful idiots, benefactors who feed at the public trough and heavily indoctrinated, that no candidate who does not promise them the moon and stars in their pocket has a ghost of a chance.

Maybe.

Such people are swayed readily by a few factors, so let's look at those factors.

For some it is merely a mercenary endeavor:

"What's in it for me?" sums up the attitude readily. Their vote is for sale, often on an issue such as 'shake-and-bake citizenship' (amnesty) for illegals, 'Preferred or protected' status for other special interest groups, or the real bottom line 'gimmies' of increased welfare benefits and other perks for the professionally poor.

(Note, please, I am not including unemployment, which you have to work to earn, and which you must be unintentionally separated from your employment to qualify for except in a rare few instances).

These people are bought and paid for by Government programs (read: Democrat policy) and will vote the other way every time.


There are voters who feel just as strongly about Conservative matters of principle, from the Constitution to the abortion issue to fiscal issues to the current trainwreck in progress which is the economy. They are balanced by 'true believers' on the other side, their ideological and moral antithesis. Those 'true believers', Socialist ideologues, limousine liberals, jet-setting saviors of planet Earth, are votes which are going to the other side. Only the wedge of doubt has a chance to sway any of them from their beliefs, and only a rare few will consider evidence of fraud and pseudoscientific gimmickry long enough to realize they have been hornswogled. Theirs is a near-religious fervor, and they pursue a self-destructive jihad against sanity to assuage their moral guilt.

While these have their counterpart on the Right, we agree with many of those on the Right who so believe in God, the Constitution, and can even find common ground on many issues with the few who are far more than two standard deviations from the mean, so to speak, whether we agree with or embrace all they believe or not. Whether they choose to find enough common ground with a candidate who has a reasonable chance of dismissing Republican charges of being a whacko is up to them and how rationally the candidate can present their case while remaining charismatic enough to inspire faith in the candidate to do the right thing.

Note that the Democrats, New Leftists, and Socialists are going to call anyone to the right of Lenin a 'right wing whacko/extremist'. That is to be expected, as are the 'hick from the sticks' and 'uneducated', un polished, 'non-IV League', etc. mantras used to marginalize (isolate) candidates. The Leftmedia honestly believe they have the sole right to determine who is cool and who is not, and it is their whole concept of what is socially acceptable which has made many urban areas a pit in so many ways, and is spilling into the Federal Government like a tsunami.

But it is when the RINOs start spewing that Leftist mantras that two things need to happen.

First, anyone on the Right should examine the statements of the candidate, in context, as written (not as edited by the minions of Katie Couric or somesuch). The candidate's record should be examined, and decisions made on the basis of that, not the howlings of a left-of-center Republican.

Note that the Republican Party has repeatedly shat upon Conservatives in this very manner, either through the claim of not being "electable" or other slurs, and that partly because of this treachery even an able and budding populist Conservative candidate was insufficient to carry the RINO across the finish line against a slick suit stuffed full of hope and change.

But the average office is not the political three-legged-race of the Presidential election, and the candidate must stand on their own merits in comparison to their opponents, not rely on a running mate to drag in a few 'moderate' splinter votes or provide comic relief with repeated gaffes.

Like it or not, it is a question of selecting the best person running for the job.

This is where it is critical to get that person in the primary race, to start building a team of people who can move up from local offices to positions of greater scope, and getting them the experience to step up to the plate. That means every race is important at the local level, too.

We may instinctively shun the spin-doctors and 'kingmakers' of modern, media-driven politics, but we do so at our peril. The packaging is, unfortunately, as important as the contents, and sometimes more so.

We need for our candidates to be able to work a crowd in personal appearances, preferably have an innate knack for it. We need for them to be media savvy as well, to be able to respond to a question fishing for a soundbyte, which can be used against them with a concise and definitive answer, which permits no creative editing, and yet is short and sharp enough to merit being shown on the six-o-clock news--and we need to record those and post them on YouTube and other venues where they can be seen.But beyond the education of the candidates, we may need to change the mind of the electorate as well. That requires education of the voters in marginal districts, and even in the ones in which there is no rational hope of winning this election. The best weapon against the minions of "Hope and Change" remains Doubt.

The ads should be non-partisan, soft-sell, and push Constitutional and Conservative issues in such a way as to seem to be little history lessons, either in print or in the electronic media.

Letters to the editor, 'today in history', special interest pieces, even stories which highlight local history and in doing so subtly show how things were often radically better without government interference or oversight can slowly drive the wedge of doubt in those minds which are yet capable of maturing enough to become conservative. It is one way to highlight the difference between being given a fish and being taught to fish, but there are as many angles as their are interests, primarily because the government has invaded them all.

Reminiscences of events as late as the fifties and sixties can portray a significant change.

But I am off topic, perhaps, dealing with building for the future, and not living in the present (although now is the time to build for the future, we are there).

I think in districts where the races have been close, the right candidate has an excellent chance to capitalize on the current disaffection with government policy, especially the outrageous spending and overreaching consolidation of power by the Obama administration. Harping on doubt, attacking the whole hopey-change paradigm and getting people, real, regular working folks to look hard at whether they are doing better is a first step. Doing so with humor, being likeable, having a winning smile and a general demeanor which shows a person at ease with themselves and what they are saying is crucial to getting people to walk away from the speech/appearance/TV and say "that guy gets it, I'm voting for him (or her as the case may be).

The next step is a coordinated and viable plan for restoring the Republic, one which does not blatantly alienate the borderline leftists, but pulls them to the Right to vote for true freedom--the freedom to succeed.

Reaching out to the young as a genuine and heartfelt (not 'preachy' or proselytizing) sentiment could rake in some of the younger set who are paying attention, after all, they are on the hook for the tab for Obamacare and so much more.

Facebook, Twitter, and other networking sites are probably vitally important venues--with a word of caution--any misstep could go viral just as easily as anything praiseworthy, but do not underestimate the power of the 'grapevine' in getting the message out.

Those messages need not be tied to a specific candidate, only their message, their stance on the issues, and if presented correctly, that will resonate when the candidate speaks those words themselves--if the message does.

Making it 'cool' to be anti-establishment still works, so long as the message reminds prospective voters who the 'establishment' is--the very alleged 'revolutionaries' who have only delivered the chains of economic bondage to future generations.

Blue dogs and bad bites...

As we have seen, so-called 'Blue-Dog Democrats are Democrats. Despite any Conservative leanings, they tend to flock together on the big votes.

Frankly, I'd bet dimes to doughnuts that there is a system of deciding what votes can be survived by voting party line by whom, and the count is determined more by the calculus of how many votes are needed by whom and whether they will survive the next election, rather than ideology on that side of the aisle.

Note the Kamikaze Democrats who will vote the party line despite the fact that polls in their home districts indicate the result will be retirement even if they run again. These are seats that either the Dems do not consider important, or consider they might be able to retrieve with another Democrat who can deny any philosophical union with the former incumbent. While that might play in some places, the voters need to be reminded that another cat with the same spots isn't likely to behave any different than its predecessor, that the party ideology is the driving force inside the Beltway, not the folks back home.

This tactic might be especially effective with the grassroots groundswell against the rampant and capricious disregard for the will of the voters in Congress, a grievance that needs to be emphasized repeatedly in order to keep the Dems feet to the fire.

With the right candidates, the right message, and a Conservative stance firmly in juxtaposition to the unprecedented disregard for the people's concerns about spending, extra-Constitutional power grabs, unaccountable appointees, and incredible disregard for the will of the people, there is a solid chance to gain both houses and shut down the Obama Juggernaut.

Pressing the issue and pushing for repeal of many of the Left's 'gains' will force Obama's hand and make him veto or acquiesce.

The one caution is that Republicans and Conservatives have to position themselves to not be the fall guys for the inherent failure of Obamite policies, to be vocal from the onset that this is what they expect to happen and that it will take some time, some serious budget cuts, and the backing of the American People to recover from the crises foisted upon us by the Left's Socialist policies.

Bottom line: Show how the Congress, under new management, will tighten the Federal belt, even as Americans have been tightening theirs.

Then, given the opportunity, do it!

92 posted on 01/25/2010 6:46:19 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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