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Haiti and the Pat Robertson Paradox
AOL News ^ | 1-22-10 | Jeffrey Weiss

Posted on 01/22/2010 6:50:31 AM PST by My Favorite Headache

Here's the Pat Robertson paradox: Maybe the overwhelming condemnation of his comments about Haiti following the earthquake is evidence of how much religion continues to matter to many Americans.

In case you missed it, Robertson said this on the 700 Club:

"Something happened a long time ago in Haiti, and people might not want to talk about it. They were under the heel of the French. You know, Napoleon III and whatever. And they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said, 'We will serve you if you will get us free from the French.' True story. And so, the devil said, 'OK, it's a deal.'

"And they kicked the French out. You know, the Haitians revolted and got themselves free. But ever since, they have been cursed by one thing after the other. Desperately poor. That island of Hispaniola is one island. It's cut down the middle. On the one side is Haiti; on the other side is the Dominican Republic. Dominican Republic is prosperous, healthy, full of resorts, et cetera. Haiti is in desperate poverty. Same island. They need to have -- and we need to pray for them -- a great turning to God. And out of this tragedy, I'm optimistic something good may come. But right now, we're helping the suffering people, and the suffering is unimaginable."

Let's leave aside questions about the veracity of the story -- and there are many. (For instance: Did anything like what Robertson describes actually happen? If it did, was the ceremony dedicated to the deities of the traditional Haitian religion, not Christianity's devil?)

I was intrigued by the broad wave of American voices raised in opposition to Robertson. When the secular, Jewish Jon Stewart tosses out a series of Bible verses to express his dismay, something interesting is going on.

Yes, Robertson is an easy punching bag. But after several years of surveys that indicate that the tenets and dogmas of Christianity are less central to American culture than they once were, maybe the reaction to Robertson shows that "less" is a long way from "gone."

Here's a sample of some of the reaction just from Baptist voices, to pull from one piece of the spectrum: "God is ultimately responsible for the earthquake in Haiti and has a reason that is beyond our ability, trapped in time, to understand or comprehend. But it would be theological ignorance coupled with absolute arrogance to try and interpret God's actions as a judgment against a particular person or nation." -- Dr. Robert Jeffress, pastor of First Baptist Church of Dallas, for Newsweek.

"Nevertheless, one thing I do know: The Christianity of Robertson and those who are quick to blame tragedy on some angry, vengeful God is a Christianity which I, following Hatuey's lead, reject and want no part of whatsoever." -- Miguel A. De La Torre, director of the Justice & Peace Institute and associate professor of social ethics at Iliff School of Theology in Denver, for the website EthicsDaily.com. "The alleged 1791 Haitian pact with the devil would put our Father on the side of slavery and Satan on the side of those seeking freedom. The reverse is actually the case. Satan is a "murderer from the beginning" (John 8:44), a thief who "comes only to steal and kill and destroy" (John 10:10) and seeks to make us "slaves to sin" (Rom. 6:17). Satan enslaves. God liberates." -- Jim Denison, president of the Center for Informed Faith and theologian-in-residence for the Baptist General Convention of Texas, from the first of three special opinion pieces about this topic he's writing for the Associated Baptist Press. And now to the pop cultural side of the response, and Stewart on The Daily Show:

"Out of all the things you could draw on from your religion to bring comfort to a devastated people and region? Look how big your book is! 'The Lord is close to the broken hearted. He rescues those who are crushed in spirit. Fear thou not, for I am with thee. Be not dismayed, for I am thy God. I will strengthen thee. From the depths of the earth you will again bring me up. Though the mountains be shaken and the hills be removed, yet my unfailing love for you will not be shaken nor my covenant of peace be removed, says the Lord who has compassion on you.'

"That almost sounds like it's about a f**** earthquake!"

For those of you keeping score at home, Stewart used verses from Isaiah 51 and 54 and Psalms 34 and 71.

And finally, a nugget from one of the wittiest letters to the editor I've ever seen, signed by Lily Coyle in the Minneapolis Star-Tribune. In the tradition of the Screwtape Letters, this is from Satan to Robertson:

"I may be evil incarnate, but I'm no welcher. The way you put it, making a deal with me leaves folks desperate and impoverished. Sure, in the afterlife, but when I strike bargains with people, they first get something here on earth -- glamour, beauty, talent, wealth, fame, glory, a golden fiddle. Those Haitians have nothing, and I mean nothing. And that was before the earthquake. Haven't you seen "Crossroads"? Or "Damn Yankees"?

People only get outraged about something they care about. What's this outrage about? Part of it seems to be from folks who are upset that Robertson is profoundly mischaracterizing their concept of Christianity. Whether or not, as in the case of Stewart, they even believe in that religion.

I asked for analysis from John Green, director of the University of Akron's Ray C. Bliss Institute of Applied Politics -- not to mention one of the nation's premiere analysts of surveys concerning faith and politics: "Many people value religion and feel compelled to 'set the record straight' when Robertson speaks this way. This does strongly suggest that religion is a very important thing to many Americans. The Pew data certainly support this view: the importance of religion remains high even as American religion changes as regard to the specifics. In the case of Haiti, much of the relief effort is religiously inspired and conducted by religious people -- precisely because their faith instructs them to do. Defending faith in general as a legitimate enterprise is crucial to many people." Within what we media types generally call the conservative side of Christianity, Robertson's comments prompted a lot of pushback. Ryan Messmore, a fellow at the Heritage Foundation, was willing to speculate about that phenomenon:

"One dynamic that I've been tracking over the past year or two is the reaction by young evangelicals against a certain perception of their parents' Religious Right which they see summed up in and embodied by Robertson. Last year I sat down with different groups of college students and recent grads and listened to their thoughts about culture, politics, etc. Many of them seem to have intuitions that would align with some of Robertson's stances (for instance, they are very pro-life, perhaps even more so than their parents' generation). "

"However, they do not want to self-identify with Robertson or the larger 'Religious Right' movement that he represents. They are turned off by partisan political bickering, and they reject what they perceive as a narrow interest in only a couple moral issues -- namely abortion and gay marriage -- to the exclusion of issues like poverty, homelessness, human trafficking, etc. Comments by Robertson that seem morally judgmental and appear to lack compassion (although he did call for people to send aid to Haiti) only play into this perception."

When you go to the doctor for a checkup, she'll probably poke at you and ask "Does that hurt?" If it does, the doc knows there may be something important going on there.

Same thing with Pat Robertson. As long as so many people jump in pain when he talks, there's probably something important going on there, too.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: 700club; christian; christians; evangelical; evil; haiti; occult; patrobertson; voodoo
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To: My Favorite Headache

I think Voodoo is bad for any culture and it is endemic in Haiti...extremely.

I don’t think any of us can say if God was bringing it on Haiti himself

But Haiti’s culture has been well....cultivated by Haitians now for 200 years plus....and that burden of responsibility including primitive beliefs on withcraft lies on their own shoulders...earthquakes or not.

Folks love to beat up Robertson but he is not 100% incorrect here ..just presumptive.


21 posted on 01/22/2010 9:07:12 AM PST by wardaddy (Good Yankees in Massachusetts, I salute you all from bended knee in appreciation)
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To: GraceG

OK, screaming, cursing and multiple question marks really removes much of my incentive for a civilized conversation.

I’m just quoting the Bible to you. If I understand your wisdom, God was a big jerk till Jesus showed up. Funny thing is, Jesus thought His Father was pretty cool, even when He was on the Cross. And Jesus would not approve of the way you struck out all the yods and serifs in Exodus. You can take that to the bank, wherever it is you store up your wealth.

Given what you think about the Bible, you might not know that Jesus actually came for the lost sheep of Israel - it was Paul who was sent to preach to the Gentiles. It is a common misperception that Jesus’ blood cleanses everyone - it cleanses only those who love Him and believe in the One who sent Him. The one who Moses was quoting when he wrote the Torah.

As for your other points, you do know, don’t you, that there was infant baptism by people a lot smarter than you and me for thousands of years before this discussion? I think that issue is probably debatable, at the very least. So I won’t quarrel with you on that point.

But know this - my logic didn’t take me to aborting the children of the lost sheep or of the dogs that wait by the table for their crumbs. Yours did.

So who is sick and twisted, you Bible-ignorant, anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic bigot?


22 posted on 01/22/2010 9:44:36 AM PST by naturalized
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To: wardaddy

I don’t remember Steven Seagal getting heat over Marked For Death and slamming the culture...oopss...wrong country..Jamaica.


23 posted on 01/22/2010 10:25:24 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: GraceG
You're absolutely right, Grace. I'll take full responsibility for my mistakes--and that's saying a lot because I've made some doozies--and for all of my actions.

I WANT to. I refuse to enter the self-destructive, self-defeating VICTIM ("IT'S ALWAYS SOMEBODY ELSE'S FAULT") MENTALITY. I'm a lot smarter than that!

One of the smartest things I ever learned was to take full responsibility for myself and my actions! This put me in charge of my own destiny, and it has served me very well!

Leftists love to encourage "victimhood". They love to get "victims" under their control--and subject them to exploitation. To them everybody's a "victim" of one kind or another--and nobody is self-reliant, responsible for his/her own actions, or, consequently, in control of his/her destiny. That's why all these "victims" need Leftist leaders--who tend to be sociopaths or other predators.

But I am not responsible for anybody else's actions, including my ancestors. If they goofed up, they're responsible. I'm not.

24 posted on 01/22/2010 2:31:58 PM PST by Savage Beast (If you throw a rock over a fence, itÂ’s the hit dog that hollers. -Mike Huckabee)
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To: My Favorite Headache
"secular, Jewish Jon Stewart"

Secular Jewish? Does that mean the same thing as "secular Catholic?"

Personally, as a Jew, I cannot recognize anything Jewish in Jon Stewart. Every turn of his thought, every word shows him to be a banal, run-of-the-mill, and not-too-bright leftist.

25 posted on 01/22/2010 8:32:41 PM PST by TopQuark
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