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After a Day of Deliveries, US Ship Runs Out of Aid (Carl Vinson in Haiti becalmed by bureaucracy)
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| Saturday, January 16, 2010
| Daphne Benoit
Posted on 01/16/2010 6:06:39 AM PST by kristinn
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To: kristinn
To my mind, this is the usual situation with an emergency scramble. The great thing about a ship like the Vinson is that it is multi-mission and a functioning US CONTROLLED airport with little chance of a roving gang shutting it down.
Second, these ships are designed for mid-ocean resupply from US Navy cargo shipping. With Haiti's port out of commission, this makes the Vinson the singular resource for 'heavy supply' while the port gets reconstructed (Sea Bees / Construction Battalion are probably already working there). I would be totally surprised if multiple USN provision ships were not being supplied to shuttle to the Vinson as rapidly as possible.
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posted on
01/16/2010 8:09:31 AM PST
by
SES1066
(Cycling to conserve, Conservative to save, Saving to Retire, will Retire to Cycle.)
To: mosesdapoet
I’m curious as to why a C-5A couldn’t be turned into a huge flying fully-equpped hospital. Just wondering.
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posted on
01/16/2010 8:10:30 AM PST
by
Happyinmygarden
(Yes, actually, I have pretty much seen and heard it all before...)
To: kristinn
Our magnificent military - ready, willing, and able ... and thwarted by ngo’s and go’s.
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posted on
01/16/2010 8:11:12 AM PST
by
NonValueAdded
("'Diversity' is one of those words designed to absolve you of the need to think." Mark Steyn)
To: TigersEye
I don’t claim to be a genius in these matters, but I do have some ‘common sense’ ideas I’d like to offer. I’m sure my fellow Freepers will point out where I’m wrong, and I have no problem with that. That’s why I come here - for intelligent debate.
I think we should set up “tent cities” and move the survivors to an area that is “protectable”.
It would make distribution of supplies work better, and keep roving gangs from taking complete control.
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posted on
01/16/2010 8:11:26 AM PST
by
airborne
To: PIF
The number of casualties is not going to change the realities on the ground for the relief efforts. Certainly not. Well, other than the fact that the more that die, the less that need care.
But the sheer magnitude of the casualties should motivate those NGO's who are withholding supplies to come together with a plan, and then act quickly and decisively.
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posted on
01/16/2010 8:16:25 AM PST
by
airborne
To: airborne
I think you're right. Someone else said pretty much the same thing. It was his opinion that they have blocked the survivors into Port-au-Prince when they could have moved them into clear areas to the east and north.
That makes sense. The city should be evacuated for security and disease prevention. Emergency workers only in there.
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posted on
01/16/2010 8:20:32 AM PST
by
TigersEye
(It's the Marxism, stupid!)
To: mewzilla
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posted on
01/16/2010 8:26:32 AM PST
by
graceisfree
(...and these Three are One!)
To: kristinn
..but will the presstitutes make this Obama’s Katrina? Bashing him likke they did G.W.?
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posted on
01/16/2010 8:33:12 AM PST
by
SandRat
(Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
To: atc23
There is no reason why the US merchant fleet cannot deliver aid. This administration then could claim some job growth as merchant operators would need to hire seaman, stevadores, engineers etc. The US fleet is supposed to be on patrol and doing combat readiness training. That is what we're paying them for.
Who's going to do the offloading in Haiti? If you let Haitians near your merchant ship, expect it to be hijacked. Expect your crew to be in real danger of being murdered on their own deck.
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posted on
01/16/2010 8:39:56 AM PST
by
Cheburashka
(It's a _happy_ Russian novel. Everybody still dies, but everybody dies happy.)
To: mewzilla
I wanna know who's pulling that BS.
There are major aid bureaucracies - the UN and others. Each one wants to be able to boast, “We transported X tons of vital supplies to needy “_____”(fill in the blank). It's mandatory to be able to solicit for more funds for future work. "Giving supplies to the U.S. Navy? How can we boast about that? Our donors will find someone else to give contributions to if we don't do the deliveries ourselves." Sad but true.
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posted on
01/16/2010 8:46:45 AM PST
by
Cheburashka
(It's a _happy_ Russian novel. Everybody still dies, but everybody dies happy.)
To: atc23
The US fleet is supposed to be on patrol and doing combat readiness training. That is what we're paying them for.That is precisely why they are able to respond more quickly than civilian agencies.
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posted on
01/16/2010 8:47:25 AM PST
by
JimRed
("Hey, hey, Teddy K., hot enough down there today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
To: conservativehusker
Slick just needs a break from “changin his luck” with those Hateee girls.
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posted on
01/16/2010 8:51:43 AM PST
by
dusttoyou
(libs are all wee wee'd up and no place to go)
To: Amos the Prophet
They will storm the airport and distribute the goods themselves. could well happen ... what we ought to do is to air drop food/water supplies on a wide perimter around the outskirts of port au prince causing the mobs to spread out and get away from the airport.
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posted on
01/16/2010 9:03:05 AM PST
by
TheRightGuy
(I want MY BAILOUT ... a billion or two should do!)
To: PIF
Except that (according to news reports) the only working airport in Haiti is already over capacity - even USAF has problems landing with the hords of private planes from everywere landing and taking off. There appears to be no coordinating authority with the relief efforts. Since there is no functioning Haitian government, no one can grant that authority.Well, then send in some Seebees and US Army COE's and build another airfield. It can't be that hard to do...
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posted on
01/16/2010 9:05:50 AM PST
by
Thunder90
(Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
To: PAR35
100115-N-6006S-070 PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (Jan. 15, 2010) Haitian citizens move toward an MH-53E Sea Dragon helicopter carrying food and supplies. The aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70) and Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 17 are conducting humanitarian and disaster relief operations in Haiti in response to the Jan. 12, 2010 earthquake disaster. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Aaron Shelley/Released)
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posted on
01/16/2010 9:06:14 AM PST
by
A.A. Cunningham
(Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
To: PIF
Everyone needs to be given a landing slot hours in advance and if you miss it, you go home.
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posted on
01/16/2010 9:22:03 AM PST
by
gura
(R-MO)
To: cripplecreek
Odd that you post this when up the thread there is a comment which recounts Bush’s response to the tsunami. It is my clear memory that the Euroweenies criticized US forces for responding so rapdly. You may be referring to the Big Lie that Bush responded poorly to Katririna. I like to repeat the overlooked non-propaganda fact that the US Coast Guard saved 30000 Americans. So what if the FEMa trailers were twenty hours late?
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posted on
01/16/2010 9:41:58 AM PST
by
sgtyork
(The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
To: TheRightGuy
... what we ought to do is to air drop food/water supplies on a wide perimter around the outskirts of port au prince causing the mobs to spread out and get away from the airport. Your idea has more merit than most I've seen. It's beginning to appear that we can't get enough security in place to stop the gangsterism fast enough to get the food, water, and basic necessities to the needy.
Better to inundate the countryside outside of Port-Au-Prince with airdropped supplies. Let the gangs take what they want. The concept is to drop so much that the needy get what they need, despite the gangs.
Great idea, TRG.
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posted on
01/16/2010 9:48:28 AM PST
by
Windflier
(To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
To: gura; Thunder90
Great idea - I’ll get right on it :) Really there seems to be quite a bit of diplomatic crap involved with a number of planes - they seem to have their own way - they wanna land, you try to stop them for what ever reason: result = major incident.
Thunder90
Earlier post seems to say Seabees are already at work. Don’t know how long it will take, but the port is not likely to be operational for some time. When it is open enough to get the heavy equipment needed right now, it will be too late for what they are needed for at the moment - like moving rubble etc to find those still living.
Sad all around, but looks like we’ll have a new crop of Haitian votes for the next 18 months, as current Haitian illegals are being given all the perks of citizenship - including drivers licences, which will no doubt be use to vote for Dems in the next election.
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posted on
01/16/2010 9:50:01 AM PST
by
PIF
To: kristinn
They are surrounded by the ocean for goodness sake. Don’t they know how to fish?
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posted on
01/16/2010 10:29:08 AM PST
by
mojitojoe
(“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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