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Campaigns going strong as Kennedy seat race heads into final days (Did he really say that?)
The Boston Globe ^ | 01/13/2010 | Matt Viser, Globe Staff

Posted on 01/14/2010 9:32:51 AM PST by worst-case scenario

From the article: He also claimed that he was unfamiliar with the “Tea Party movement,” when asked by a reporter. When told that different people labeled him a conservative, moderate and a liberal Republican, he responded “I’m a Scott Brown Republican.”

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bostonglobe4dnc; bostonglobe4nyt; bostonglobefraud; elections; jasonblair; journalisticfraud; makingitup; mikebarnicle; plagiarism4bglobe; scottbrown; teaparty
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To: ansel12

ansel112, I take offense to your post.

I was not taking sides nor even trying to get into this discussion. I simply tried to offer up what I had quickly located to help both of you out in your debate.... nothing more.

President Reagan is at the top of my list of those I love and respect, so quite frankly, I don’t care what the outcome of this cyber masturbation becomes. My opinion of Reagan will never change, period.

Now, if you want all of that junk you listed and presented in an angry tone, get off of your lazy a$$ and look it up yourself, because I won’t bother and you will not be having a followup conversation with me about the damn thing anyway.


81 posted on 01/14/2010 2:18:57 PM PST by Gator113 (Obama is America's First FAILED "light skinned African American [Pres-dent] with no Negro dialect..")
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To: Gator113

I merely included you because Fiji Hill
had included you and me in his post 73.

I never meant to include you as an anti Reagan poster on this subject, but I can understand the confusion about that, especially since I didn’t tack your name on at the end of the ping but instead had it in between to other two.

Sorry about that.


82 posted on 01/14/2010 3:01:42 PM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: ansel12

Okay. ;>)


83 posted on 01/14/2010 3:09:16 PM PST by Gator113 (Obama is America's First FAILED "light skinned African American [Pres-dent] with no Negro dialect..")
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To: manc

yes we should. he is a MA politician running to represent their state. i would love for all states to have senators who think just like me (maybe) but that is not the purpose of the Senate. he should match what his state wants not me. i am just happy for a “no” vote on Ocare.


84 posted on 01/14/2010 3:15:56 PM PST by rlbedfor
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To: ansel12

It is a well-fact that Reagan signed pro-abort legislation in California. Stop harping on this. It is in a multitude of books about Reagan.


85 posted on 01/14/2010 9:39:23 PM PST by firebrand
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To: firebrand

well-fact obviously should be well-known fact


86 posted on 01/14/2010 9:40:28 PM PST by firebrand
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To: Reagan Man

That is not the right definition of “moral relativism.” I am as against abortion as you are. I simply see that there would be many more abortions if Obama gets them funded by the taxpayers. Moral relativism would be if I thought there might be a case where abortion would be right.


87 posted on 01/14/2010 9:46:55 PM PST by firebrand
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To: firebrand

No one has argued that have they? I even remember the legislation and how all of us, including Reagan were shocked at how it was misused, maybe you should look into that and learn something.

Get this through your head, Reagan was not pro abortion and that is what the discussion is about.

If you want to make the case that Reagan was pro abortion, or defend people that do, then post the information that the rest of us keep demanding.

Post the writings, the speeches, the debate transcripts.

As a political figure, candidate and office holder over an almost 50 year period and as a two term California Governor and a three time Presidential candidate in the years 1966 to 1980 you should be able to post his pro abortion words.


88 posted on 01/14/2010 9:46:59 PM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: ansel12

Actions speak louder than words. Nonetheless, I do not believe Reagan remained pro-abortion. Perhaps he never was and signed that bill by mistake; yet he did sign it.


89 posted on 01/14/2010 9:55:38 PM PST by firebrand
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To: ansel12; firebrand
I even remember the legislation and how all of us, including Reagan were shocked at how it was misused, maybe you should look into that and learn something.

Correct. The real story: Revisionist History: Misrepresenting President Ronald Reagan's Abortion Record

From lifenews.com, no less.

90 posted on 01/14/2010 9:55:41 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: firebrand

That was lame, get this through your head, Reagan was not pro abortion and that is what the discussion is about.

If you want to make the case that Reagan was pro abortion, or defend people that do, then post the information that the rest of us keep demanding.

Post the writings, the speeches, the debate transcripts.

As a political figure, candidate and office holder over an almost 50 year period and as a two term California Governor and a three time Presidential candidate in the years 1966 to 1980 you should be able to post his pro abortion words.


91 posted on 01/14/2010 10:00:53 PM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: ansel12
Don't forget amensty, although that may be opening a whole new can of worms on this tired old thread. He also referred to himself as a libertarian.

My personal experience is that my parents, who had voted Democrat all their lives, became Reagan Democrats in 1980 . . . until he started doing things like taxing unemployment benefits. Someone I know who was sruggling financially with a toddler lost her food stamps because she wasn't on Medicaid. Remember that one? No you probably don't. I guess the assumption was that if you could afford private health insurance you didn't need food stamps. Solution? Go on Medicaid too and soak the taxpayers for even more.

I am not the crazed Reagan idolator that so many seem to be.

92 posted on 01/14/2010 10:03:32 PM PST by firebrand
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To: firebrand
He also referred to himself as a libertarian.

Elaborate on that, was he leaving the GOP at that time, was he going to adopt the Libertarian Party Platform?

93 posted on 01/14/2010 10:10:16 PM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: facedown

Thanks for posting that link. Strange how we all know now that the “health” provision would be used to cover all abortions if necessary, but in 1968 Reagan and his advisers seem to have been blindsided by the pro-abort movement.


94 posted on 01/14/2010 10:10:48 PM PST by firebrand
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To: firebrand

More importantly, rather than destroy this thread entirely, how about you start a vanity, anti Reagan thread in General Chat, and then we can discuss it.


95 posted on 01/14/2010 10:11:51 PM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: ansel12
I don't recall anything about his leaving the GOP. I used "libertarian" with a lower-case L. But his own remarks about being a small-L libertarian appear throughout Craig Shirley's book Rendezvous with Destiny. I'm not going to read all 600 pages again to give you the page numbers, but trust me, the cites are there.
96 posted on 01/14/2010 10:15:44 PM PST by firebrand
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To: ansel12
I really don't have much more to say on the subject. I see him as good on foreign policy but draconian on domestic issues.

What I really don't like is the idolatry. It not only misses the fact that every president is both good and bad, in different ways, but it prevents us from finding a suitable, sensible person to lead the party in the next presidential. If we are looking for George Washington, as Glenn Beck suggested we should be in his interview with Palin, or for another Reagan, we may miss the good, electable figure that we need right now.

97 posted on 01/14/2010 10:21:22 PM PST by firebrand
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To: firebrand

What you really tried to do was jump on here and lie about Reagan being pro abortion, you should get your thread started in general chat and take your Reagan war there.


98 posted on 01/14/2010 10:25:30 PM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: ansel12

I don’t have a Reagan war. I have an idolatry war.


99 posted on 01/14/2010 10:30:08 PM PST by firebrand
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To: ansel12
Actually, I wasn't lying. I never lie. I now understand more about it, thanks to the post from LifeNews. I always knew Reagan made a mistake but now I understand better how he made it. He underestimated the satanic duplicity of the pro-abort forces, or his advisers did, or both.

So far on this thread I have been called a liar, a whiner, a liberal, and a troll. What passes for intelligent discussion these days on FR.

100 posted on 01/14/2010 10:35:54 PM PST by firebrand
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