Pat Robertson blames Haiti suffering on 'pact with devil' (Idiot Alert)

heraldsun.com.au ^ | 1/13/2010 | Staff

[Red in Blue PA]

US EVANGELICAL preacher Pat Robertson has blamed Haitians directly for the devastating earthquake, saying that the country "swore a pact to the devil'' at its creation. "Something happened a long time ago in Haiti, and people might not want to talk about it,'' Robertson said on his Christian Broadcasting Network show The 700 Club.

The 80-year-old former presidential candidate said Haitians were originally "under the heel of the French".

"You know, Napoleon the third, or whatever.

"And they got together and swore a pact to the devil.

"They said, we will serve you if you will get us free from the French. True story.

[Quix]

QUITE SO!

[steve-b]

When they were led into a fuller walk with Holy Spirit, HE led them to experts in such matters—some in Japan—who notified them that before such idols were shipped to foreign countries, priests PRAYED DEMONS INTO THE OBJECTS.

So what? The prayers of false gods' priests have no more power than Bullwinkle's "eenie, meeie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak!" line.

[Hegewisch Dupa]

are they friendly spirits?

[Quix]

I gather

that your experience in such matters is about

at a 0.00000000000000000000% level.

I’ve participated in 100’s of deliverance sessions here and a number in Asia.

Ignorance is not a strength when dealing with such forces.

[Hegewisch Dupa]

You need to check your sources - I heard it’s 53, and pushing 54

[Hegewisch Dupa]

chomping at the bit to agree with the Deliverance remark?

[Joya]

Thx. Great wisdom is needed in this area, as there could be things in anyone’s home that gives the enemy an entry point.

Items handed down from the previous generation must be prayed over and/or destroyed. Sigh.

Collecting too much stuff and / or hoarding stuff can be a terrible stumbling block, also.

God deliver me and all those struggling with such.

[Joya]

http://www.agapeflights.com/Haitiupdates.asp

Link is for Agape Flights, airplane service to 130 missionary families in Haiti. They are on the ground today in Haiti with supplies, there are updates several times a day. They have been operating since 1980 to Haitians and to the missionaries reaching out in Haiti.

LINK ABOVE POSTED FOR ANY FREEPERS WHO WANT A REPUTABLE RELIEF ORGANIZATION TO DONATE TO TO HELP HAITIANS NOW.

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Pat Robertson may have been hasty or may have sandwiched it between tons of love and mercy and respect for Haitians in a way that was NOT hasty. I don’t know, I didn’t see or hear him make the statement.

The enemy of our souls creeps around, looking for legal access to steal, to kill, and to destroy. His target? All of mankind.

God gives wisdom as to how to walk in liberty, he whom the Son sets free is free indeed.

We are ALL to be wise as serpents and innocent as doves.

That would include not selling out to Satan nor to any demonic force.

We are more than conquerors through Jesus, and He leads us to avoid the traps the enemy of our souls sets.

Pat knows this. He tries to warn people about this.

Sometimes folks misunderstand and think the worst of him for his efforts.

Doesn’t change the fact that he is correct to warn folks.

[wardaddy]

it's been 200 years and the places from whence the slaves came are just as fubar as Haiti so why is that?

who separated them?

it's far more than just slavery

and speaking of South Africa.....for many years blacks from outside South Africa flooded the place knowing full well they would be second class citizens just for the economic opportunities the white South Africans provided in industry and farming that they lacked in their homelands

slavery as the big bogeyman is more an excuse than a causative reality

one can easily say it's wrong to own one another..thta is a no brainer in the near modern era but the problems facing blacks around the world almost anywhere they have a presence are mired in far more than just that and have very deep cultural manifestations more often than not of their own doing....and until we and they get past that it will only get worse as it has...at least in my lifetime

[wardaddy]

i was just ranting tagentially...your post was actually not too shabby

but at some point alwasy blaming what whites did neglects how primitive tribal blacks were in Africa prior to the whites

we do the same with Indians here...they were all Hiawatha you know...

[Osage Orange]

we do the same with Indians here...they were all Hiawatha you know...

We weren't all women!

: )

[Quix]

AMEN! AMEN! THX FOR THE PINGS.

[bushpilot1]

Let me sum it up for you with these few simple words..

Who does not toil shall eat those who do.

[Rockingham]

The most prosperous, most free, healthiest, best educated, and longest lived Black people in the world are Black Americans -- and the same applies to all other ethnic groups and nationalities. The more that a person, family, and extended ethnic group embrace traditional American ideals and virtues, the more they prosper and advance.

The fundamental burden on Black people is the same that is upon us all: bad ideas and bad conduct, especially bad ideas and conduct promoted by the Left. Black Americans and Black people around the world have long been a special project of the Left and hence suffer severely from the Left's malign attentions.

As for Haiti, during the Clinton years, the Democratic party in the US allied with Aristide, with many millions directed to Clinton affiliated lobbyists and businessmen. Aristide in turn was protected by the Clinton administration against sanctions and criticism even as he became more deeply involved in the drug trade and predatory against his own people. Aristide's increasingly virulent leftism provided a common bond and ideological veneer with the Democratic party.

A similar pattern is evident in South Africa and the Third World. Moderate, Western aligned, business friendly Black leaders and politicians are spurned or undermined, while those on the Left are protected and promoted. South Africans and Haitians suffer not for being Black but for the power that the Left and its ideas have attained over them. Add in systemic corruption and Voodoo and its equivalents and the recipe for enduring misery is complete.

[oprahstheantichrist]

Wow, thanks for the ping, good thread.

You're right, it would be great if Pat would ask for wisdom before he made such statements, he seems oblivious to the fact that the lefties / globalists tune in to him IMMEDIATELY after every tragedy to catch him in an "open-mouth-insert-foot" embarrassment to Christ and His followers.

The other thing is, I can't think of any evidence from scripture that God would "curse" a civilization because of an incident from 200 years ago.

The reference from Exodus is that He visits "...the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generation of those that hate me," but if Haiti made a "pact with the devil" in 1805, then the third and fourth generation from then is long dead and buried.

IOW if this hideous devastation is a result or consequence of human behavior, it would be the voodoo, witchcraft and sorcery of the current and recent civilization, NOT the people who lived 200 years ago.

Just sayin' that the enemy is the consummate legalist as we all know, and if one is going to venture into such speculations (however correct or not) one had better get the theology right based on whatever legalism the enemy is using.

Also I wonder if a "curse" is a different thing altogether than "visiting the iniquity." That would take a Hebrew scholar to interpret, I guess.

Here's what I've told my growing kids throughout the years as they've come home with "Social Studies" homework studying various histories and cultures: "The further a culture or civilization is from Jesus Christ, the worse it is to live there, and the more chaos, poverty and squalor."

Haiti has been the primary example of this, even prior to this earthquake. Note the 2003 official declaration of President Jean Bertrand Aristide that voodoo is an "official religion:"

Haiti makes voodoo official

Read the link, and note some of the irony:

"What President Aristide's decree has done for us is to give us the same legal status as other religions in Haiti, but we have always been the majority religion - over 90% of Haitians are voodooisant.

"So now we're hoping to obtain something to allow us to set up our own schools, our own hospitals and so forth."

Especially horrific has been the collapse of Haiti's "schools and hospitals." So I think publicly declaring voodoo as the/an Official Religion was a Bad Idea.

OH WAIT, OUR OWN PRESIDENT HAS TAKEN IT UPON HIMSELF TO INFORM THE WORLD THAT WE ARE "NO LONGER A CHISTIAN NATION." (sigh....) Lord have mercy on us and them.

Another interesting one from the BBC, same year:

Voodoo's spell over Haiti

Someone on another thread observed that, however offended you may be that the quake may represent judgement, you must admit how astounding it is that Haiti is utterly destroyed, and that the D.R. has minimal damage and no injuries. Same island.

Bottom line, messing with the witchcraft, sorcery or the like will ALWAYS turn out very badly.

[Quix]

Very good points.

However, I believe . . . iniquities visited upon the children to the 3rd and 4th generation would cover 200 years.

And many believers have been led to repent to Native Americans in behalf of Europeans for our dirty duplicitous dealings with them, broken treaties etc. . . . and to thereby lift the curses that were inherent in such evil dealings. Doesn’t particularly matter what fault the Native Americans may have had.

Christians did not always treat them honorably . . . particularly government entities did not.

Such things have consequences—some of which reign in the spiritual realm over territories for a very long time.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[narses]

A friend posted this on another site:

He came out and claimed that Haiti’s troubles were the product of a curse, a pact with the devil that a tiny group of Haitian independence fighters made in 1791 to win independence from France. He claims it’s cursed Haiti and all its generations of people ever since. Number one, it’s a huge insult to Haiti’s hard-fought independence struggle, claiming victory was only through the power of the devil, not the Haitians’ determination to be free. What’s more, it’s a goofy stupid claim that doesn’t follow timelines much. Haiti won its independence in 1804 so it looks like the devil took a long time to make good on his promise or maybe Haitians got tired of waiting and picked up a rifle on their own. But that’s just to point out the historical idiocy of the claim.

Oh and there’s no such thing as curses, that’s another thing! Robertson seems to enjoy believing in magic these days, what a guy.

But it’s the moral idiocy of it that really gets me. He’s saying Haiti is some sinful country whose ancestors were in bed with the devil and its travails are all its own fault. Not reparations Haiti had to pay for 100+ years to the French. Not its own lack of economic freedom. Not its corruption. Not its populism. Not its missing property rights. Not its superstitions. Just some cheap easy thing to explain everything: a devil pact curse. It’s like the guy is hostile to science and intellect and doesn’t like real seeking reasons for things that could in the end make them better.

Here’s the other thing: He’s profoundly antibiblical. The Bible says that the sins of the father are not visited on the son and the reason God might allow a man to be blind is to “show good works,” not to punish anyone. Compare and contrast with Robertson’s Haiti statement about the ‘curse.’ Some of Robertson’s apologists have also claimed that Robertson was out raising money for Haiti so he should be forgiven, but the Bible says that if you don’t do charity work “with love” then the work is worthless. For all the piety some sanctimonious fundamentalists put on parade about their Bible reading, it’s like Robertson has never read the Bible even once!

[Ladycalif]

Or they told him to remove it.

[Star Traveler]

You were asking ...

I hope you repented and prayed off any forces and influences from that experience.

At the time, being young and not being as aware as I am now (or have been in years past), and being ignorant -- I didn't know anything about it. We're talking about over 45 years ago... :-)

But, being ignorant won't help in protecting anyone. However, at the time I sensed it wasn't something to be involved with and I never followed up or did anything more from that time forward with it.

And since then, I found out a lot more about it.

Of course, I repented of it, in that I turned away from it and never had anything to do with it again. And of course, I always pray about God's protection over many things, which are many things that I have no knowledge of, but God does.

I don't get involved with certain things having to do with spirits and demons, as some Chrisitians I've heard of do, in casting out demons and encountering them. So, I don't have a bunch of "happenings" to say anything about (like I've heard some others have).

But, I've had just a very few memorable things happen. This one goes back many years to my younger and college days, back in Oregon during "Vortex I" -- a rock festival sponsored by the State of Oregon (about the same time period as Woodstock and the same type of thing).

I heard about this rock festival, along the lines of Woodstock that the State of Oregon was sponsoring in order to keep the "kids" and "protesters" away from Portland, where the American Legion convention was taking place (in Portland, Oregon). The thinking was that "Vortex I" would take all the kids out of town and then they wouldn't hassle the American Legion Convention in town.

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Oregon Rock Festival - VORTEX I [YouTube video snippet...]

Vortex I music festival

Nestucca Spit Press Vortex I Slide Show

You see, Vortex 1 was the definitive hippie rock festival, but at the same time it was a diversion created to pull support away from one of Portland's most potentially violent protests to the Vietnam War. In May 1970 Portland State University birthed a violent protest where nearly 170 police in riot gear sent 27 people to the hospital and stirred Oregon's political bean pot until it came to a consistent simmer. Many feared further violence would break out because President Nixon was to speak at the American Legion convention later that year. The FBI told Governor Tom McCall he should expect 25,000 legionnaires and 50,000 anti-war revolutionaries led by the People's Army Jamboree to clash in the face of Nixon's war machine, turning the streets of downtown Portland into an urban battleground.

Then something happened that no one could have ever imagined. A couple hippies drove to the capital building in Salem and proposed a rock festival to literally "give peace a chance." McCall, who became a monument because of his radical legislation, making all of Oregon's beaches open to the public and coining the phrase, "visit Oregon, but please don't stay," had yet to make a real splash and solidify his governorship.

When the hippies came to the Republican governor they asked him for a big public space for the festival. He offered them a state park, then turned and said, "I've just committed political suicide."

As if approving the hippie rock festival wasn't enough, the governor appeared on television to promote Vortex 1 and to "avert and avoid ... bloody violence." Further along in his emergency broadcast McCall described the festival as "a conscious and direct response to the problem ... a safety value, as a defusing mechanism." He urged young people to attend Vortex 1.

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I grabbed my girlfriend from down in Corvallis and then we hopped it on up the freeway to McIver State Park, right outside of Portland, and we camped out for a few days there. I thought it was going to be one of those "historic events", and so should be there to see it, and it certainly was.

There was lots of music, lots of drugs (it wasn't my thing though) and a lot of naked people (also not my thing... :-) ...). At one point in the several-day event, someone on the stage mentioned that there was a medical area in the back part of the park, where a bunch of Indian Teepees were. Some people needed attention, or were freaking out and so on (the U.S. Army medevaced some of them, too). They said people should go back and visit some people and keep them company, or whatever.

So, we walked on back, late in the evening. There was a circle of huge teepees around a huge bonfire in the middle of the wide circle of teepees. And in one of them, we could hear some music and see a flickering fire inside, but it was dim and dark. You had to get down on your hands and knees to get in the flap of the teepee and people were sitting around in a semi-circle with their backs to the flap where you came in and a singer with a guitar was facing a fire and facing out towards the flap. It was big inside, so there was quite a few people and we crawled in there to listen to some of the music. The fire was flickering on the face of the guitar player.

Before I get into this part, I've gotta say I was not on drugs..., because this next part is very strange. Neither was my girlfriend. Now, the interesting thing I noticed when coming in, is how the firelight was flickering on the face of the guitar player. It threw shadows in interesting patterns on his face and he looked like he was painted up, but it was very dim inside. However, I looked closer and it appeared that his face was changing shapes, but I thought it was the flickering light, but I noted it looked so real and I was sort of entranced by it and stared intently trying to see how the light was acting on his face. And his face was changing into animal faces and I saw the face of a wolf. And I have good depth perception and I could have sworn that he had a wolf's snout on him that had "depth" to it and was not simply a shadow or whatever, but it kept changing shapes and never stayed still. It was so weird, but all of a sudden my girlfriend just rushed out of the tent.

So, I left too and asked her what the problem was. She said (with no elaboration), "I didn't like it in there." I said okay and we just walked over to the big bonfire in the middle of the circle of teepees. Now, that was an especially big fire, being outside and putting out all sorts of light, with no trouble seeing anyone. And just a few people were standing around it in the night air, getting warm.

We were talking to each other and I was trying to find out what was wrong in that tent, and I kept thinking about what I saw, the guy with the wolf's face. But, she wouldn't go into it, so we meandered over to the big bonfire and just stood there for a few seconds and didn't say anything for a few seconds while we were there.

Then I looked over to see who was around me and all of a sudden I noticed (in that fairly bright bonfire light) that the guy to my left had a wolf's face on him... whoa! LOL...

I turned and looked at my girlfriend in an astonished kind of way, and she had seen it too and her eyes were wide -- and we both said, almost together, "Let's get out of here!"... and we booked it on out in a hurry... :-) [and the thing was, the animal faces were on both sides of us around that big bonfire, too, with other people, and we weren't gonna stay any longer than it took to walk real fast out of there...]

Now, I might have seen some shadows inside the teepee but not outside with the big bonfire and my girlfriend was scared half to death and did not ever want to come back there again... to the teepees. LOL... (and we didn't). We talked about it for a bit but soon just left it behind and got back into the rock festival stuff way up at the front of the park, far away from those Indian teepees and the wolf faces...

I've always thought that this was some sort of evil type of thing going on and it wasn't an illusion at the latter part of our visit, that's for sure, as we confirmed we both were seeing the same thing going on (and with more than one person, too, which was the other thing...). That's why I had to say that both of us were not on drugs, because this sounds like some hallucinating that might be going on.

Believe me, you don't want to be standing out in the dark around a big fire and see a bunch of wolf faces on the other people standing there... it's not cool... LOL...

And since we didn't want to spend any time "investigating" the situation, I'll never know what was going on. But, suffice it to say I haven't run into any sitution like that since then (good thing...). And for the rest of the time there (which was several days) we never ran into any such thing even remotely close to that, in the main area of the park where all the people were and the bands were at and the music playing... it was just normal half-clothed and some naked people and so on... sorta normal, ya know... :-)

I would say that evil is all around us, along with God's angels all around us, too. They're both here and around us, at the same time.