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TSA lied: naked-scanners can store and transmit images
Boing Boing ^ | January 11, 2010 | Cory Doctorow

Posted on 01/11/2010 5:59:39 PM PST by george76

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To: NavyCanDo
I would like to see a pole taken...
Here ya go...

41 posted on 01/11/2010 9:10:22 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: muawiyah
A "poll", not a "pole".
IMO my way was more creative.
42 posted on 01/11/2010 9:12:16 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: george76

I’m surprised that Muslims are not screaming about people getting to see their junk and their women’s junk.


43 posted on 01/11/2010 10:18:42 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Copenhagen Climate Summit; Shovel Ready)
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To: Charles Martel; Ron Jeremy
If you're going to post about a fellow FReeper, you should let him know.
44 posted on 01/12/2010 12:41:51 AM PST by Cheburashka (It's a _happy_ Russian novel. Everybody still dies, but everybody dies happy.)
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To: Slyfox
What difference is there between a guy operating an airport human x-ray scanner and a guy who rigs up a camera in a woman’s toilet?

They guy with the x-ray scanner is from the government and is here to help you.
45 posted on 01/12/2010 12:44:09 AM PST by Cheburashka (It's a _happy_ Russian novel. Everybody still dies, but everybody dies happy.)
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To: george76

The picture looks like a nekkid C-3PO.


46 posted on 01/12/2010 12:44:42 AM PST by Redcloak (Error 404: Tagline not found.)
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To: ansel12

She could lose her balance eh!


47 posted on 01/12/2010 5:33:06 AM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: CurlyDave
I really don’t care. I don’t think it will stop the muzzies, but I don’t understand why people get so upset about this.

It's a strip-search, normally reserved for inmates in high-security prisons. The fact that it's conducted with technology doesn't mean it's not a strip-search.

Shouldn't the same standard of reasonable suspicion apply to conducting a technological strip-search as to a traditional strip-search? Or should police be allowed conduct random strip-search road blocks in the same way they run sobriety checkpoints, in the interests of preventing crime?

48 posted on 01/12/2010 7:48:18 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Charles Martel
There's no presumption of privacy in an airport, or anywhere that one of those body scanners might be used.

Seems to me that there's have been a number of lawsuits in the past about strip searches done without justification in such places. I don't find it justified just because they plan to do it to everybody. And I don't find it justified to strip search everybody just because Muslims are acting up.

The Constitution doesn't say that our right to privacy is limited to only certain places. And it's pretty clear that we have freedom from search unless a warrant is issued.

49 posted on 01/12/2010 7:50:34 AM PST by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: your local physicist

Technology is not the answer it is a costly boondoggle easily defeated because it is so defined.

Further Because the machines are so costly they are also so profitable that the companies that manufacture them can thru financial contributions to our Elected Officials drive the purchases of equipment that simply will be defeated in short order.

Profiling is the answer.. is working and has worked for El Al Airlines for more than 20 years.

W


50 posted on 01/12/2010 8:46:33 AM PST by WLR (Remember 911 Remember 91 Iran delinda est.)
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To: WLR

The right kind of technology is not a costly boondoggle, but it is much more effective when it is kept secret and the terrorists don’t know about it. To defeat terrorism, it takes a combined approach of technology (including biometric ID tech to identify human threats with surveillance cameras) AND profiling as you suggest.


51 posted on 01/12/2010 8:53:07 AM PST by your local physicist (Never give in to the dark side of the Force unless you are double-teamed while playing nose tackle.)
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To: elpinta
I always figured it was a clandestine welfare to work program.
As far as them being able to store and transmit images they are walking a fine line regarding the child porn laws that regulate the taking of pictures of underage passengers.
52 posted on 01/12/2010 10:03:49 AM PST by Polynikes (Haakkaa Paalle)
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To: CougarGA7; Tijeras_Slim

Should’a took Slims with ya when ya moved yer office !.....:o)


53 posted on 01/12/2010 11:02:35 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos; CougarGA7

LOL


54 posted on 01/12/2010 11:04:47 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
There will be some surprises !


55 posted on 01/12/2010 11:14:11 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: george76

Of course they can. When someone inevitably gets through, and we know they will, how will they have an after action report without stored images?


56 posted on 01/12/2010 11:18:10 AM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: your local physicist

I do agree we need both..

For Political reasons our leaders will not face the need for Human Profiling.

For corrupt reasons there is more profit concentrated in Machines than people.

Once the MIC gets a line up producing something they naturally want to sell as many as possible. The Company’s Lobbyists like all salesmen then spend their days shoving square peg MIC Widgets into every round hole where it doesn’t fit but makes a profit.

Our Elected and Appointed Oaf-ficials ever happy with another “Contribution” to their political campaign know full well which side their bread is buttered on and that side has big buck lobbyists driving the Technological “Fix” Train.

We saw that with the Wheeled Crapmobiles our leaders ordered by the 10s of thousands for the Iraq conflict.
They are crap but assembly lines were busy and lobbyists were busy and corporate profits for their production was up.

It did not matter that superior tracked vehicles sat from the outset unused by the thousands (In one case some 10,000 plus in one US Army Depot alone). No matter that untold numbers sat as pre-positioned war stocks across the world...(Remember the great Rumsfield Lie when the question was asked (Para) “Where is our Armor”?) It was sitting by the thousands in Army Depots. Even more sickening 100s more are sitting on the ocean floor perfectly servicable. Dumped there because they are old toys not new shiny ones.
They sit on the ocean floor no matter the human cost in terms of lives lost and destroyed among our troops. Instead of protecting the lives of our GIs they are now places for fish to fornicate.

It is the same thing with Airline Security.. the same model if you will at the TSA. They know full well no amount of technology alone will make the planes safe from terrorism.
Which makes the Techno Fix a never ending MIC Gravy Train.. With every successful attack requiring another billion Dollars worth of technological band aids.

As you aluded to in our open society the characteristics of most technological innovations are known to most 6th graders the day after the product hits the market. Those characteristics are largely fixed as I said and therefore “bad actors” (lol) can figure a way around them.

Working their way around well trained humans with good instincts?

That is a much harder, much more daunting task. One much more difficult to defeat.

When used in conjunction with a light dose of technology..you have El Al Airlines and their fantastic record of success. PBTJ LOL

So we agree in the end..

Further I support your point that we must stop the hemmorage of information on capabilities and systems employed in the WOT.. From You-Tube to the MSM.. we have to shut down the flow of intelligence our enemies receive simply by sufing the web and watching the nightly news..

W


57 posted on 01/12/2010 2:44:00 PM PST by WLR (Remember 911 Remember 91 Iran delinda est.)
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To: PubliusMM
More troubling though, is the longer processing times for travelers. I rather imagine it’s only a matter of time before the terrorists among us realize that they can do one helluva lot of damage to the airlines if they just start blowing up the damn terminals..

Of course. Way easier.

58 posted on 01/12/2010 5:40:49 PM PST by Red Boots
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To: CurlyDave
If someone wants to store a picture of my nether region and transmit it around the world, I wish them well.

I really don’t care. I don’t think it will stop the muzzies, but I don’t understand why people get so upset about this.

Evidently, you were never taught the virtue of MODESTY, nor were you granted the gift of self-effacement and general "politesse".

More's the pity, since you once seemed intelligent.

59 posted on 01/13/2010 12:46:44 AM PST by Don W (I only keep certain folks' numbers in my 'phone so I know NOT to answer when they call)
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To: Mike Darancette

Just wait till they try to scan the first burka wearing moo. The resulting complaints and lawsuits will result in everyone BUT muslims getting scanned.


60 posted on 01/13/2010 12:52:39 AM PST by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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