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To: MHGinTN

A child of foreign diplomats born in the U.S. is not a U.S. citizen because U.S. laws (and, less relevantly, the 14th Amendment) in existence well before 1961 and still in effect today specifically state that the children of foreign diplomats do not acquire U.S. citizenship merely by being born in the U.S. However, the laws of the U.S. in 1961 said that the child of a U.S. citizen and a foreigner is a U.S. citizen at birth if he was born in the U.S. Ergo, if Obama was born in Hawaii, he was a U.S. citizen at birth; if he was born abroad, then he wasn’t (because his citizen mother hadn’t lived in the U.S. for 5 at least years past the age of 14 as the statute required in cases of foreign birth).

Your theory is that a person can be a U.S. citizen at birth and not be a natural-born citizen. I disagree with you, as did, apparently, Joseph Story. That doesn’t prove that you are wrong, but at the very least you should accept that that passage from Story’s Commentaries is a point in my favor.


67 posted on 01/11/2010 11:22:23 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

I’m not in some sort of contest with you; I just find natural born—based upon the writings from the eras of our Constitution being written and by whom it was written, their comments on the subject—to mean two American citizen parents and born on American soil or territory (as in an embassy or military base rented lands). Changing the Constitution by fiat fits leftist fascist design, but it is anti-American in the main.


68 posted on 01/11/2010 11:36:45 AM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: AuH2ORepublican
Ergo, if Obama was born in Hawaii, he was a U.S. citizen at birth; if he was born abroad, then he wasn’t (because his citizen mother hadn’t lived in the U.S. for 5 at least years past the age of 14 as the statute required in cases of foreign birth).

If that is indeed the case, then what of Obama's Stepfather, his possible adoption and perhaps Indonesian Citizenship? These questions have not been answered either, and college admissions records could clear things up in the instance of young Mr. Soetoro. Those have not been forthcoming, either.

Did Obama receive a Fullbright Scholarship, did he ever claim foreign citizenship? If so, he has embraced the citizenship of another nation, and cannot be considered Natural Born for the purpose of the office, even if he subsequently was naturalized. To do so would fly in the face of original intent (that there be no conflicting allegiances).

There is far more to this than just the one issue, and it will take more than just a Birth Certificate to resolve it.

143 posted on 01/11/2010 5:19:22 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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