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To: AuH2ORepublican
Ergo, if Obama was born in Hawaii, he was a U.S. citizen at birth; if he was born abroad, then he wasn’t (because his citizen mother hadn’t lived in the U.S. for 5 at least years past the age of 14 as the statute required in cases of foreign birth).

If that is indeed the case, then what of Obama's Stepfather, his possible adoption and perhaps Indonesian Citizenship? These questions have not been answered either, and college admissions records could clear things up in the instance of young Mr. Soetoro. Those have not been forthcoming, either.

Did Obama receive a Fullbright Scholarship, did he ever claim foreign citizenship? If so, he has embraced the citizenship of another nation, and cannot be considered Natural Born for the purpose of the office, even if he subsequently was naturalized. To do so would fly in the face of original intent (that there be no conflicting allegiances).

There is far more to this than just the one issue, and it will take more than just a Birth Certificate to resolve it.

143 posted on 01/11/2010 5:19:22 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I don’t know why Obama’s Muslim Indonesian stepfather Lolo Soetero enrolled him in school under the name “Barry Soetero” and listed his citizenship as Indonesian (although I have a pretty good idea why he listed Barry’s religion as Muslim—because Barack Obama was raised a Muslim). I don’t know what Indonesian law says about children changing citizenship, but U.S. law wouldn’t allow a child to be stripped of his U.S. citizenship, so it doesn’t provide evidence as to Obama’s disqualification from serving as president.

I have no idea what Obama said his citizenship was when he applied for college or for scholarships or other financial aid. (I also have no idea whether he actually enrolled with Selective Service when he turned 18 as required of all U.S. citizens; the evidence I’ve seen seems to point to the Selective Service application provided by the Obama campaign to be a forgery, leaving open the possibility that he did not enroll.)

We also have not seen his long-form Certificate of Birth, just that crappy, computer-generated Certification of Live Birth that could, in theory, be produced for someone whose mother registered in Hawaii a week after being born. It is certainly possible that Obama was born in Kenya when his mother was not allowed to fly back to Hawaii because of her advanced pregnancy and (i) his grandparents called the newspaper to “report” that he had been born in Honolulu and (ii) a week later his mother falsely registered him with the Hawaiian government as having been born in her house in Hawaii. the long-form birth certificate would say whether he was registered as being born in a Hawaiian hospital as Obama claims (which, if that’s the case, would be pretty clear evidence that he was indeed born in Hawaii) or being born at home (which would certainly leave open the possibility that he was born in Kenya and did not arrive in Hawaii until later, at which time his mother falsely registered him as having been born in her home in Hawaii the week before).

So we don’t know where Obama was born. If Obama was born in Kenya, then he was not a U.S. citizen at birth and, unless he has since been naturalized, is still not a U.S. citizen today. If, however, he was born in Hawaii, then, irrespective of what Lolo Soetero may have done in Indonesia, Barack Obama would have been a U.S. citizen at birth. Most legal scholars agree with my position that if someone is a U.S. citizen at birth then he’s a natural-born citizen under the Constitution, but, as you know, reasonable minds may disagree on this issue.


144 posted on 01/11/2010 5:56:49 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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