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1 posted on 01/10/2010 5:06:30 PM PST by Steelfish
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Pol Pot didn’t like doctors or teachers very much.

Stalin was a control freak.


2 posted on 01/10/2010 5:09:27 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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It’s A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World


3 posted on 01/10/2010 5:09:36 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat
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Then I put Hitler in the same leaque of Oliver STone, He too wants to re-write history. One was just more evil.


4 posted on 01/10/2010 5:09:51 PM PST by ColdOne (ColdOne(Why can't Michelle practice law anymore?))
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Well the 10 million people he murdered in death camps and the about 30 or 40 others killed through his war machine didn’t help him in that regard. Most people would say it’s pretty much his own fault he’s an “easy scapegoat”.


5 posted on 01/10/2010 5:11:16 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The right thing is not always the popular thing)
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Bad is good and good is bad


6 posted on 01/10/2010 5:11:50 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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Would he extend the same grace to Joe McCarthy or Roy Cohn? I don’t think so.

What about that junior lawyer on McCarthy’s staff during the hearings... whatsisname... oh..mmm Bobby Kennedy?


7 posted on 01/10/2010 5:12:03 PM PST by sinanju
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While Hitler’s regime was clearly evil, I submit that Hitler was no more and no less evil than a large number of dictators throughout history.

What is clear, is that the winners in any war are the ones who get to write the history. Had the Germans won World War 2, Hitler’s legacy would have been far different.


8 posted on 01/10/2010 5:15:56 PM PST by MGMSwordsman
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Oliver Stone is in good company with Sean Penn who is starting to look like a nazi.


9 posted on 01/10/2010 5:17:05 PM PST by CORedneck
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The PaulBot type should like this film since they
didn’t believe in fighting WWII


10 posted on 01/10/2010 5:17:48 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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On balance, Oliver Stone is right in this case.

Hitler was a very evil man, and any redeeming qualities he may have had (he had some) are overshadowed by the abject evil that he did. However, it is dangerously simplistic to view him only thru this “evil” lens — even tho’ it is really tempting to.

Those who do evaluate the Hitlers-of-this-world thru only their “evil” lens fall into the trap of electing someone like Hitler who is good at promoting his redeeming qualities and even better at hiding his evil ones.

(I wonder if that sounds like anyone we know?)

I’m happy to defend this position with reasoned debate.


11 posted on 01/10/2010 5:19:35 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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In this article it states that Stone won a Purple Heart in Vietnam. ???I read elsewhere he also won a Bronze Star,,,, I did not know this...or how to take it.


13 posted on 01/10/2010 5:25:10 PM PST by ColdOne (ColdOne(Why can't Michelle practice law anymore?))
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In the trailer for "The Secret History of America" the director says: "You cannot approach history unless you have empathy for the person you may hate."

In other words, interpretation of history should be based on feelings, not facts? What a load.

15 posted on 01/10/2010 5:26:21 PM PST by matt1234
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That included a "complete other story" about how Stalin had fought against the German war machine more than anyone.

Hmmm, How does he explain Stalin being Hitler's ally and helping him hide the building of the German war machine from the rest of Europe?

23 posted on 01/10/2010 5:44:23 PM PST by nickcarraway
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I can judge Oliver Stone as crazy as a loon.


24 posted on 01/10/2010 5:49:16 PM PST by Baladas ((ABBHO))
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If Stone has anything to do with it, there will be very little value to this history.


25 posted on 01/10/2010 5:54:50 PM PST by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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Did Pat Buchanan write the screen play?


27 posted on 01/10/2010 6:00:51 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (:: The government will do for health care what it did for real estate. ::)
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the director says: "You cannot approach history unless you have empathy for the person you may hate."

If feelings are more important than facts that is true. Most people think Hitler's actions were a more important barometer of his character than a Freudian psychological profile of his personality. I don't have to have empathy or hatred for Hitler to understand that he was a psychopath.

31 posted on 01/10/2010 6:44:43 PM PST by TigersEye (Tar & feathers! Pitchforks and torches! ... Get some while supplies last.)
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“Stone? Goebbels, you keep that nutjob away from my life story! That ****ing cokehead hasn’t directed anything worth **** since Wall Street!”

40 posted on 01/10/2010 8:46:26 PM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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When I was a young pup, Hitler was seldom, if ever, discussed in school. Since Stone served in Vietnam, he is probably somewhere around my age and maybe didn't learn anything about Hitler either. I didn't really become aware of Hitler’s evil brutality until years later...from books and documentaries. I don't suppose Stone like many others ever bothered to learn.

I feel for our young people. They are being taught revisionist history or no history at all. This is especially true in this era of Obama. Like Hitler, Obama could persuade people to abandon their principles and opt for dictatorship instead of freedom. Those who have little or no knowledge of Hitler are probably the ones who voted for Obama...just like the uneducated and ill informed in Germany back in Hitler's day.

The whole situation frightens me. As we baby boomers age and our parents and grandparents leave this earth, there will be no one to teach what things were like back then. And unless we speak up, we are doomed to repeat Hitler's Germany.

48 posted on 01/10/2010 11:10:31 PM PST by fatnotlazy
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Monday's gregalogue: Understanding Adolf

It's something we so desperately need right now - a show that will finally put Adolf Hitler in the context he deserves. Seriously - it was just the other day I was sitting around with my Aryan Youth Group/Pilates class, discussing how deeply reviled Hitler has been over the years. "If only someone could get into poor Adolf's size 7 loafers and understand where the poor guy is coming from," I wondered aloud - and shirtless, to get my point across.

Well thank the Devil for Oliver Stone, for he's revealed that his upcoming Showtime miniseries "Secret History of America" will help put mass murderers such as Hitler and Stalin "in context."

"Stalin, Hitler, Mao, McCarthy -- these people have been vilified pretty thoroughly by history," he told reporters during a press tour, managing to slip non-killer Joe McCarthy into the mix, without causing a murmur.

Now, I suppose "thoroughly" was code for "unfairly," but he's right about Mao, Hitler and Stalin - it's just the way things works, I guess, when you kill millions of innocent people. But true to his blind allegiance to relativism, Stone claims that "we can't judge people as only 'bad' or 'good.' Hitler was an easy scapegoat."

He's right: you had to blame the Holocaust on someone. But finger pointing is so judgmental! Case in point: Stone claims that conservative pundits will really dislike the show - maybe because conservative pundits don't require psychoanalysis to understand Hitler's motivations. Me? I don't care if Adolf's mommy never loved him, or the maid made fun of his willy. I had similar problems, and I still didn't kill six million Jews.

But saying only conservative pundits will be upset by this is really a slap in the face of all progressives. For Stone assumes that - unlike right wingers - the left will willingly accept his revisionist look at history's greatest mass murderers.

He's right: as embracers of all things relative, they are crackers to his cheese.

And if you disagree with me, then you're worse than Harry Reid.

55 posted on 01/11/2010 3:46:06 PM PST by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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