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It's Time to Junk the Electoral College We don't need an amendment to do it. (Soros' son)
Washington Times ^ | 12/18/08 | Jonothan Soros

Posted on 01/10/2010 4:32:50 AM PST by mgist

By JONATHAN SOROS (Georgie's son)

In his victory speech, Obama said he would be a president for all Americans. But as a candidate he didn't campaign with equal vigor for every vote. Instead, he and John McCain devoted more than 98% of their television ad spending and campaign events to just 15 states which together make up about a third of the U.S. population. Today, as the Electoral College votes are cast and counted state-by-state, we will be reminded why. It is the peculiar mechanics of that institution, designed for a different age, that leave us divided into red states, blue states and swing states. That needs to change.

The Electoral College was created in 1787 by a constitutional convention whose delegates were unconvinced that the election of the president could be entrusted to an unfiltered vote of the people. It was antidemocratic by design.


Fortunately, a constitutional amendment is not necessary. Rather than dismantling the Electoral College with an amendment, we can use the mechanisms of the Electoral College itself to guarantee popular election of the president.

It is ironic that the most common objection to the National Popular Vote compact is the suggestion that it is antifederalist. In fact, interstate compacts lie at the very core of federalism: individual states combining their powers to solve a problem.

The National Popular Vote compact has already been enacted by four trailblazing states -- Maryland, New Jersey, Illinois and Hawaii -- and has been introduced in 41 others. It's time that the rest of them got on board.

Mr. Soros is the deputy chairman of Soros Fund Management and a supporter of the National Popular Vote.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: electoralcollege; soros
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To: mgist
Soros knows that if he can pull this off he need only cheat in New York, Maryland, California and New Jersey ~ he can give up the other 11 states Dems have to make a showing in to win.

Can send this guy back? Yeah, I know, his old man is the Nazi, but the son here seems to be just as vile. We really don't need any more of his kind.

41 posted on 01/10/2010 6:02:29 AM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: Desdemona

It was appropriate that Gore didn’t win since he couldn’t carry his home state—had that happened it would have put him over the top. I know all the talk was about Florida and dimpled chads but just imagine the very concept that Algore didn’t win his home state by a huge margin...didn’t win it by a slim margin—he just couldn’t carry his home state!

And I remember the TV news crews showing the gov’s mansion in Nashville (IIRC) where a big crowd was gathered to celebrate the Gore win that never came. (Just like the one gathered in Boston looking forward to Kerry’s victory that never came;
google “Kerry party turns to tears, bitterness”) :) No victory speech for the Goracle in Music City.


42 posted on 01/10/2010 6:09:15 AM PST by raccoonradio
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To: bert

Maybe that’s why liberal idiots are talking about farming in the cities. They’re afraid we’ll cut them off and reduce them to cannibalism.


43 posted on 01/10/2010 6:10:41 AM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: mgist

I would love to junk the 14th Amendment to get rid of future anchor babies. Plus make it all retroactive and deport all anchor babies born in prior years

Unfortunately only libs and commies get to ignore our US Constitution


44 posted on 01/10/2010 6:22:35 AM PST by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: mgist

Time to start poling Marxists heads.


45 posted on 01/10/2010 6:25:46 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: mgist

This shi@ comes up every once in a while. Before it’s over an illegal alien felon in a California prison will have the same voting rights that the rest of us do.


46 posted on 01/10/2010 6:28:24 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Copenhagen Climate Summit; Shovel Ready)
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To: cripplecreek
If illinois, Indiana, and Michigan go democrat but Ohio goes republican, the Ohio electoral votes will go democrat even if Ohio citizens vote 90% republican.

That is why the law is unconstitutional.

47 posted on 01/10/2010 6:32:47 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Copenhagen Climate Summit; Shovel Ready)
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To: cripplecreek
Soros is increasingly infecting the GOP. Things like presenting both sides of a drug legalization debate at CPAC are how he works.

Look at the so-called Republicans who are supporting the popularvote efforts.

http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/pages/editorials.php

48 posted on 01/10/2010 6:46:44 AM PST by mgist
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To: blueyon

You are right. The so-called popular vote is exactly what the balance between the Senate (2 per state) and the HR (by populace) was SUPPOSED to prevent. NY CA FL should not run America.

Odd how most folks think that this is somehow unfair.


49 posted on 01/10/2010 6:57:17 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: mgist

Why not complete the Soviet Union.

Pray for America’s Freedom


50 posted on 01/10/2010 6:57:55 AM PST by bray (What ya in for Son? No Health Insurance. Me too.)
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To: mgist

The Electoral College guarantees that small states have a say in electing the President, and allows for a local angle on the election. If it is dismantled, we need only hold elections in New York and California.....

hh


51 posted on 01/10/2010 7:04:35 AM PST by hoosier hick (Note to RINOs: We need a choice, not an echo....Barry Goldwater)
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To: mgist

So let me get this straight...

A whole state worth of people overwhelmingly vote for one party’s candidate, but then the election fixers swoop in and change your vote to the OTHER party.

..how is this different than dictators proclaiming victory in spite of the vote of the people to the contrary?

“You voted Republican? Well, the majority of everyone else in the country voted Democrat. Since you meant to vote Democrat, we’ll just fix that for you.”


52 posted on 01/10/2010 7:04:51 AM PST by Magnatron
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To: cripplecreek

There won’t be any farming in cities. Other than growing marijuana, they have neither the inclination or the intelligence to grow food.

I will say that there is not much time left and it is getting shorter for all decent people to leave these hellholes, or their bones will stay there permanently.

Don’t worry about being able or not being able to take your property and belongings with you. If you escape with your life, you are ahead of the game.

Learn from the Jews in the 30’s in Germany. Those that left, for the most part survived. Those that stayed did not.


53 posted on 01/10/2010 7:19:16 AM PST by sport
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To: ALPAPilot
The electoral college is another check against federal power.

Before taking any decisions review the

USA Today 2000 County by County Voting Map

and the

USA Today 2004 County by County Voting Map.

Do you want the presidential elections determined by the heavily populated urban centers and their welfare recipients?

President Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, George Soros, and their socialist enablers know that America can never succumb to Socialism unless America first gives up the Rule of Law in favor of Rule by the Majority. Only in a Democracy can the majority ignore the Supreme Law of the Land and America’s Constitution's guarantee of a Republic.

Even if you favor presidential election by popular vote, you must oppose it to preserve our Republic and the Rule of Law and not turn it over to a Democracy and the Rule of Man.

54 posted on 01/10/2010 7:21:37 AM PST by MosesKnows (Love many, Trust few, and always paddle your own canoe)
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To: sport

I don’t need to go anywhere. I live in the sticks off the beaten path. Kinda nice living in a tiny town with no main road.


55 posted on 01/10/2010 7:22:01 AM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: cripplecreek

So do I.


56 posted on 01/10/2010 7:39:51 AM PST by sport
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To: sport

Check this out. A fantasy about farming on old factory grounds around Detroit.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2415943/posts


57 posted on 01/10/2010 7:45:18 AM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: mgist
A little info from the National Popular Vote web site:

http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/pages/explanation.php

The bill has been enacted by states possessing 61 electoral votes — 23% of the 270 necessary to activate the law (Hawaii, Washington, Illinois, New Jersey, and Maryland).

The bill has passed 29 legislative chambers in 19 states (Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington).

State polls (mostly taken in 2009) show strong support for a national popular vote (AR–80%, CA–70%, CO–68%, CT–73%, DE–75%, ID–77%, IA–75%, KY–80%, ME–77%, MA–73%, MI–73%, MS–77%, MO–70%, NH–69%, NE–74%, NV–72%, NM–76%, NY–79%, NC–74%, OH–70%, OK–81%, PA–78%, RI–74%, SD–75%, UT–70%, VT–75%, VA–74%, WA–77%, and WI–71%). Support is strong in every partisan and demographic group surveyed.

The National Advisory Board of National Popular Vote includes former congressmen John Anderson (R–Illinois and later independent presidential candidate), John Buchanan (R–Alabama), Tom Campbell (R–California), and Tom Downey (D–New York), and former Senators Birch Bayh (D–Indiana), David Durenberger (R–Minnesota), and Jake Garn (R–Utah).

end snips.

State By State Legislative History

Go to bottom of the page for the data.

58 posted on 01/10/2010 8:11:53 AM PST by deport (51 DAYS UNTIL THE TEXAS PRIMARY....... MARCH 2, 2010)
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To: cripplecreek

Thanks for the link. It was interesting.
I can remember people from around where I lived going to Mighigan to pick strawberries in the summer and to Conn. to work in tobacco. Long Island used to grow potatoes.

And like I said before, decent people living in the big cities like Phil.,NYC, Detroit, and other Democrat run hellholes need to get out if they plan on living a long life. The door is still open now, but it may close before they realize it.

What obama and his band of merry men have planned for us is not going to be pretty, nor, conductive to a long happy life.


59 posted on 01/10/2010 8:22:16 AM PST by sport
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To: mgist
Your comment on the electoral college does sound a warning bell, hopefully that bell is not too distant. I have studied from a working class point of view, the history of the United States of America.

It seems to me that the framers of the Constitution were apprehensive of the type of person who could be described as a demagogue. Using charisma (that horrible word) and a general appeal, coupled with sheer bribery, someone could stampede the general public. A sort of Soros backed candidate in later years.

Now the framers of the Constitution seemed to be saying that while they trusted the good citizens of the new Republic, there had to be a check and balance. A last resort that could be used.

The electoral college.

60 posted on 01/10/2010 2:31:04 PM PST by Peter Libra
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