Manning claims fourth MVP in landslide

ESPN ^ | January 9, 2010 | ESPN

[John W]

NEW YORK -- Maybe the award should be renamed Most Valuable Peyton.

Peyton Manning became the first player to win The Associated Press NFL Most Valuable Player honor four times. The Indianapolis Colts' sensational quarterback romped to the award Saturday in balloting by 50 sports writers and broadcasters who cover the league.

He received 39½ votes to 7½ for Drew Brees of New Orleans. Only four players -- all quarterbacks -- earned votes. The other two were Philip Rivers of San Diego (2) and Brett Favre of Minnesota (1).

Manning also won in 2003, 2004 and 2008, breaking a tie with Favre at three MVPs.

[CommieCutter]

Before you wanted to over look the stats now you want to focus on them, ha ha.

Actually your 1-15 argument is invalid because that season is based on Cam Cameron’s season and a pre-Bill Parcels involvement.
So the only thing that’s proven with the post-Cam Cameron Miami regime is that the Dolphins are 7-9 without Pennington.

NEXT:

“Yeah, I’m pretty sure that quality QB play with a 64.2% completion percentage and a 7.3 passing YPA figure is a little more important for success in today’s NFL than a good running game, given that the team with a higher passing YPA will almost invariably win that day’s game. (You did know that, right?)”

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Yeah I do know that, but apparently YOU DON’T when it comes to Manning.
Manning 2008: 66.8% completion rate, 7.2 YPA.

Or course had Peyton had Pennington’s golden 3653 yards passing it would have been an ALL TIME LOW FOR MANNING.

The only thing that’s proven is that the Dolphins are 7-9 without him in this current scheme, not 1-15.

[Terpfen]

Before you wanted to over look the stats now you want to focus on them, ha ha.

Actually, no, my point is that what Pennington did last year was more impressive than what Manning did last year, and I used relevant stats to back that up. Manning puts up gaudy numbers every year. It's a routine for him. That doesn't mean he deserves MVP consideration each year. It means he's damn good.

Pennington dropped into the Dolphins' lap with only weeks to spare before the regular season and led them to an 11-5 record with a playoff berth by providing the best QB play for them since Dan Marino. His presence is directly and solely the reason for that turnaround; Wildcat or not, the Fins were looking at a 4-12 season without Pennington.

The difference between you and me is that you think putting up eye-popping yardage and TDs is enough to qualify as an MVP. I think that putting up high YPA and completion percentage on the way to posting a 10 win differential from the previous season is enough to qualify as an MVP.

No one's denying that Manning is a great QB, especially statistically. But I'm denying that he deserved to be the 2008 NFL MVP over Chad Pennington. Because he didn't.

[CommieCutter]

To reiterate the part you over looked (which was most critical to my over all point) while focusing on another:

Actually your 1-15 argument is invalid because that season is based on Cam Cameron’s season and a pre-Bill Parcels involvement.

So the only thing that’s proven with the post-Cam Cameron Miami regime is that the Dolphins are 7-9 without Pennington.

[Terpfen]

Actually your 1-15 argument is invalid because that season is based on Cam Cameron’s season and a pre-Bill Parcels involvement.

This is a meaningless assertion. It's like saying that the Falcons' 2008 11-5 record isn't impressive because Mike Smith wasn't there in 2007. It's pointless.

So the only thing that’s proven with the post-Cam Cameron Miami regime is that the Dolphins are 7-9 without Pennington.

You do realize Pennington played in 3 games this year, yes? Try 11-8 all time with Pennington playing a full game at QB, including playoffs.

Regardless, your reasons are silly.

[discostu]

To some degree or another every QB does it. They all have audibles available to them to tweak the play or bail to one of the reserve plays. And remember, the whole rest of the team has to be on the page too, it’s not just Manning that knows the three plays and the audibles, he picks the audible, but they all have to know what it means.

[CommieCutter]

You do realize Manning missed the entire pre-Season in 2008 and most of training camp due to knee surgery?

The Colts started off slow, and almost went 1-3. They still had a 12-4 season. You can complain about my focus on numbers, but they’re backed up by seven consecutive 12+ win seasons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyton_Manning#2008_season:_Third_MVP

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“This is a meaningless assertion. It’s like saying that the Falcons’ 2008 11-5 record isn’t impressive because Mike Smith wasn’t there in 2007. It’s pointless.”

On the contrary, your assertion is like giving credit solely to Matt Ryan for the Falcon’s 2008 11-5 record, and ignoring the new coaching staff completely, or the addition of Michael Turner.

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It’s funny. For years Manning has had to prove his worthiness on the field to his critics; now he has to prove it off the field. Hilarious.

[CommieCutter]

“Try 11-8 all time with Pennington playing a full game at QB, including playoffs.”

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Which calculates to a .579 season which in terms of a full season would be more along the lines of a 9-7 season.

Talk about silly.

[Terpfen]

You do realize Manning missed the entire pre-Season in 2008 and most of training camp due to knee surgery?

Yes. So what? He's been on the team for a decade. What offensive schematic adjustments did he miss? What new personnel did he have to get used to? How were things different for him in 2008 as compared to 2007? Again, a silly comment from you.

It’s funny. For years Manning has had to prove his worthiness on the field to his critics; now he has to prove it off the field. Hilarious.

The only criticism of Manning is occurring in your mind.

[Terpfen]

Good thing we’re only talking about 2008, then.

Well, at least one of us is.

[CommieCutter]

“How were things different for him in 2008 as compared to 2007?”

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Try about dropping 500+ yards from the running game.

32nd in the run game for the Colts in 2008, that’s dead LAST

Pennington: 4th in the run game for the Dolphins in 2008.

A good run game opens for the pass.

I’d like to see Pennington carry a team to 12 wins with a dead last running game.
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You should really do some research before you spout off that someone isn’t deserving of something.

Checkmate.

[CommieCutter]

“Good thing we’re only talking about 2008, then.”

“Well, at least one of us is.”
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“Try 11-8 ALL TIME with Pennington playing a full game at QB, including playoffs.” —Terpfen

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Apparently not.

[Terpfen]

Apparently not.

Correcting your false claim about the Fins' record this year and Pennington's total record with the club over two years is not somehow going against my own logic regarding the fact that the MVP award is a single-season achievement. You're not following this conversation very closely, are you?

[CommieCutter]

Pennington’s total record with the club over two years is not somehow going against my own logic regarding the fact that the MVP award is a single-season achievement.

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It absolutely is: if you continue to stay in your 2008 bubble, then step out of it, then back in.

Sorry that you contradicted yourself. :-)

[CommieCutter]

“..my own logic regarding the fact that the MVP award is a single-season achievement.”

“How were things different for him in 2008 as compared to 2007?”

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Try about dropping 500+ yards from the running game.

32nd in the run game for the Colts in 2008, that’s dead LAST

Pennington: 4th in the run game for the Dolphins in 2008.

A good run game opens for the pass.

I’d like to see Pennington carry a team to 12 wins with a dead last running game.
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You should really do some research before you spout off that someone isn’t deserving of something.

Checkmate.

[Terpfen]

Try about dropping 500+ yards from the running game.

So what? In the pursuit of victory, total yardage acquired per game is meaningless, especially in the running game. The key to success in the modern NFL is to pass the ball well and defend the pass well. The Colts could have lost 1000 yards in the running game and it wouldn't have made a difference as to their total record. Further, your answer totally evades my point.

A good run game opens for the pass.

This is a football myth left over from the transition from the run-oriented 1970s to the pass-oriented modern NFL. It's as inaccurate as the idea that the Pittsburgh Steelers of this decade are a "smashmouth running team."

You should really do some research before you spout off that someone isn’t deserving of something.

My research is quite solid. You are the one resorting to evidence based in previous season that somehow, in your mind, indicate that Manning is deserving of an award for something that happened earlier or later in his career. It's inane.

[CommieCutter]

“You are the one resorting to evidence based in previous season that somehow, in your mind, indicate that Manning is deserving of an award for something that happened earlier or later in his career.”
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YOU’RE the one who ASKED what was different from the prior year.

LOL!

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“My research is quite solid.”

Maybe for the Arena Football League.

[CommieCutter]

“A good run game opens for the pass.”—Commiecutter

“This is a football myth left over from the transition from the run-oriented 1970s to the pass-oriented modern NFL.”—Terpfen.
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Well I guess the NFL needs to scrap the Play Action pass. Ha ha!

” Play-action passes are often used against defenses that are presently focused on stopping the run. By simulating as if the play is initially a running play, the offense attempts to deceive the defense into acting on the run fake and being out of position in their pass coverage, giving receivers more time and room to get open behind the linebackers.”

[your local physicist]

They really should wait until after the Super Bowl to vote for MVP. That would give guys like Rivers and Brees a fair chance to show what they can do under pressure in the playoffs when the championship is on the line. Playoff performances should be considered in the MVP voting.