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The Meaning of al Qaeda's Double Agent (Sobering Read)
WSJ ^ | 1/7/2010 | REUEL MARC GERECHT

Posted on 01/08/2010 12:47:38 PM PST by mojito

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To: subterfuge

But that is ridiculous in itself, of course we might torture the people who are trying to destroy our country and killed over 3,000 innocents on 9/11. I don’t doubt that if they did
not use this story there would be another. They will use everything they can to destroy us. Look at what they have done to us when captured, far, far worse.


21 posted on 01/08/2010 2:43:06 PM PST by ohiogrammy (12)
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To: jackibutterfly

I got this and was told that it is a fake. Sorry. Cannot recall the website they quoted, but not Snopes.


22 posted on 01/08/2010 2:44:59 PM PST by ohiogrammy (12)
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To: jveritas

well, we don’t know what info he did or did not pass on before he shoved off.

also, keep in mind the impact on the remainder of our “sources”. Now all of them are under suspicion. All of them will have to be reevaluated, maybe dropped. A whole new batch cultivated cleanly, from scratch. AQ will have a great chance of figuring out who they are by careful observation over the next few months.

This will no doubt make a bunch of peopke at CIA very paranoid. Reminds me of Jim Angleton and the Nosenko affair in the 60s and how he became convinced that all our agents were really KGB doubles and it basically ruined the effectiveness of our entire operation.

This will have repurcussions far beyond just the bombing.

I also wouldn’t be too quick to blame Obama. After all, the Ames and Hanssen debacles both happened under Reagan/Bush and Bush was even a fmr DCI.


23 posted on 01/08/2010 2:56:19 PM PST by jeltz25
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To: ClearCase_guy
Imagine what could happen if our enemies tried to put one of their agents in a position of power right here in the US! Imagine what could happen if we had no screening process. No vetting process. What might happen if our media refused to ask questions, or ignored all concerns about this persons background, loyalty, or associates?

Under such circumstances, an enemy of America probably rise pretty high up in our government, I would imagine.

I have often tried to imagine what the secret service detail must be thinking.

24 posted on 01/08/2010 3:11:42 PM PST by Chuckster (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet)
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To: ChinaThreat
However, destroying your own secret agent in the process is pretty stupid from an intel gathering point of view. A functional operative on the inside like that would provide much more value to Al Qaeda. They hurt us badly though but we will recover. They will never have that asset again and we will probably tighten up our counter-intelligence operations.

I disagree with this "wasting" of an asset. I don't think of him as an "agent" as much as a sleeper... like a land mine or delayed timed munition. That was his job, I believe. To get as high up the food chain and kill as many high ranking assets as possible. It would be the poor man's Predator drone.

When we hear of a drone or cruise missile taking out the "head" or "chief" of this or that faction of Al-Qaeda that is the "waste" of a couple of million dollars on soft targets. You get my drift.

The "jihad" isn't for passive overthrow of the United States. It's for the destruction and laying to waste of our country and lives. Big difference. The communist want our money and power.. the jihadist want us DEAD. One will use a neutron bomb or EMP the other will use a hydrogen bomb, poison all the water, release bacterial warfare on the cities and then bomb all the survivors.

I'd be more worried about Secret Service Agents, Pentagon mid-level bureaucrats, Air Traffic controllers, airline flight officers, medical doctors, civil engineers on work sites and truck drivers of hazardous or flammable materials.

Bunch of little time bombs just waiting to go off.

What happens is when someone gets fed up or makes peace with suicide then off to the jihad they go. One man with a rifle, one man with a jet, one man with a satchel charge, one man running around a hospital with knowledge of medicines, toxins and bacteria. Yeah, I'd be worried... but that's just me. Our President knows that the white Christians are the real problem with this country.

We're screwed... the best part of all of this is that the gay libs that support this clown will be one of the first lined up against the wall when the jihadist take over, followed by the drug dealers, thieves and petty criminals... in other words.. democrats.

25 posted on 01/08/2010 3:58:49 PM PST by erman
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To: mojito

You never know. Obama may have had hopes of another 9/11 as a pretext for demanding Emergency Powers and rallying the nation to his banner (”Reichstag moment”, etc) but I think the cumulative effect of these last few incidents—murdered recruiter, Maj. Hasan, fruit-of-the-loom bomber, CIA casualties—and the public ire they have raised, are bringing the point home to him that now if we are on the receiving end of a major terrorist hit, he is toast.

Again, it’s a matter if self-preservation will overcome his ideology, never an issue with Clinton.


26 posted on 01/08/2010 4:25:40 PM PST by sinanju
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To: livius; Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; ...
In response, President Barack Obama will likely be obliged to adopt counterterrorist methods that could make his administration as tough as his predecessor's.
Yeah, and Zippy's in a bathtub, it's on Mars.

Thanks Ernest, well put livius.
27 posted on 01/08/2010 4:50:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: mojito; Ernest_at_the_Beach; livius; ClearCase_guy; jveritas; G8 Diplomat; Fred Nerks; SunkenCiv; ..

The Pakistani Candidate will with Holder keep things fouled up. The heads of the Intel Agencies will keep their mouth’s shut. Zero will most likely complete his three years then move to Hawaii. The United States Supreme Court will throw out the pending cases, it is to hot to handle. Might stir up the masses. And if zero where impeached, then something where to happen to slow Joe.... the majority of the court must wince and tear as to think who would be in line to become POTUS.


28 posted on 01/08/2010 5:46:48 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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To: livius
Ya. The thing being tossed around today is he "gets it" now, so all henceforth shall be even more flawlessly executed than everything which has come before.

He gets it alright. What he gets is that terrorism from the mideast has once again visited our shores - and under his command it is likely to happen again - bringing more crises to "not waste".

When the goal is not to preserve the constitution, but rather acquire power, things like that could make a Reichstag fire unnecessary.

29 posted on 01/08/2010 6:22:00 PM PST by Clinging Bitterly (MMM MMM MM!)
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To: jackibutterfly

It has been whirling around for a year. Pure crap.


30 posted on 01/08/2010 6:47:05 PM PST by Clinging Bitterly (MMM MMM MM!)
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To: Marine_Uncle

Well said.


31 posted on 01/08/2010 8:32:10 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: SunkenCiv
I suspect any of those addressed as well as a few hundred or more at this site could have written the same line with even more dire additions.
I have been saying to Ernie, for some time we are in a canoe up shit creek, without any paddle, we approach a huge set of rapids... beyond the rapids a way down is a very large waterfall.... beneath or huge jagged rocks, with a deep pool that will swallow up the pieces of the canoe.
Like many of us here, my heart continues to weep in mostly silence.
Things are not going well. But at least we got 2010, and 2012....who knows.... as bad as the whole American economy and all the terrible things within the nightmare.... a lost world class industrial and scientific base etc., terrible public education system.... the lists are so long, so terrible in their eventual ramifications....
Perhaps we shall get a brief breather... We must educated all the younger generations we come into contact with. It should be our prime goal.
Gotta hit the rack. Work comes quite early. Do have a great upcoming day.
32 posted on 01/08/2010 8:52:24 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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To: mojito

btt


33 posted on 01/08/2010 10:44:46 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: subterfuge

He was a Palestinian Hamas sympathizer who was angry about Israel’s operation in Gaza.


34 posted on 01/09/2010 9:13:17 AM PST by dervish (I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself)
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To: jazminerose; All

The CIA and FBI don’t want Jews or Christians who speak Arabic.


35 posted on 01/09/2010 9:16:05 AM PST by dervish (I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself)
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To: G8 Diplomat; ChinaThreat; livius

Related: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2423434/posts

It certainly looks as though Pakistani intelligence played a significant role in the operation; I’m guessing they assisted in identifying the agents, getting the plant in place, feeding him “useful” information, and preparing the sophisticated explosives.


36 posted on 01/09/2010 10:19:48 AM PST by mojito
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To: mojito

It does sound like a state had to be involved to get information such as who the agents were and where and when they would be meeting. When Hezbollah blew up a building full of CIA agents in the 80s, they got this sort of info from Iran who got it from Syria who got it from Russia.


37 posted on 01/09/2010 1:10:36 PM PST by G8 Diplomat
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