Posted on 01/08/2010 6:22:18 AM PST by Loud Mime
I recommend you read the entire letter -- about five pages -- at its source.
I am not among those who fear the people. They, and not the rich, are our dependence for continued freedom. And to preserve their independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debts, as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our callings and our creeds, as the people of England are, our people, like them, must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, give the earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses; and the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they now do, on oatmeal and potatoes; have no time to think, no means of calling the mismanagers to account; but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow-sufferers.
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Our landholders, too, like theirs, retaining indeed the title and stewardship of estates called theirs, but held really in trust for the treasury, must wander, like theirs, in foreign countries, and be contented with penury, obscurity, exile, and the glory of the nation. This example reads to us the salutary lesson, that private fortunes are destroyed by public as well as by private extravagance. And this is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for a second; that second for a third; and so on, till the bulk of the society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery, and to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering. Then begins, indeed, the bellum omnium in omnia, which some philosophers observing to be so general in this world, have mistaken it for the natural, instead of the abusive state of man. And the fore horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression.
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One of my personal favorites. A letter to John Norvell from Thomas Jefferson regaurding Norvell’s request for advice on starting a newspaper and running for office. (Norvell later became Michigan’s first senator)
We hold these truths to be self evident...
Amazing how 200 plus years later, the truth is still the truth.
It's obvious no one in DC knows or cares about such truths.
Thanks for posting this letter. I like this quote. I get a lot of grief from certain posters for "trashing" the Constitution, so allow me to "appeal to authority" and second TJ's thoughts here, that constitutions are not infallible, and that experience ought to translate into advances and corrections of flaws.
Excellent read. All of those guys understood human nature so well.
My wife and I just finished watching the HBO mini-series on Adams. It is excellent. Our founding fathers put everyting on the line for us. (Although Adams appeared to be a bit of a butt in the series.)
If you have any thoughs of giving up, watch this series, it’ll put you back on track.
Thank You === That letter will be a future posting here.
You may find this amusing: I have a friend who is a rabid Obama supporter. She quotes Thomas Jefferson when his writings may be stretched (tortured) to accomodate her religious followship of emperor zero; including a passage from the letter that this thread addresses.
A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.
thoughs=thoughts
Duh.
Be careful of this section. This passage is used by socialists to advance their cause, as it is so open to definition that it can accomodate any argument. The entire letter explains the limits of this passage.
I believe that Jefferson was creating room for the abolition of slavery.
The fact of the matter is that the human mind is not subject to progress. It is set. We now have a near-perfect method of distributing knowledge and few people take advantage of it; they will chop and dice the knowledge that is available to them so they may construct a salad of their own political views, while ignoring the importance of liberty.
Moreover, in this letter Jefferson was, for the most part, speaking of a State government -- not the federal. Within the letter Jefferson states the role of the federal and state governments. It deserves to be noted.
I found that while digging around for some local history. ( Live in Norvell Michigan)
Jefferson was brutal when he spoke of newspapers as the “polluted vehicle”.
When you find the time, I recommend reading the entire letter. It was written long after Jefferson retired from public service; it holds some impressive observations.
Be careful. If you apply this same standard to the text of the Constitution--discounting that which can be used by the left to advance their cause--you'll find yourself having serious issues with our founding document.
The fact of the matter is that the human mind is not subject to progress. It is set.
That's the optimistic appraisal. I say cultures devolve. But that's why I base it on experience. The one thing we have is 200 years of operational experience with our constitution. The point is that that ought to produce some revisions. Some people are absolutely batty about the Constitution, in just the way TJ describes. It takes on religious import. Ridiculous.
Moreover, in this letter Jefferson was, for the most part, speaking of a State government -- not the federal. Within the letter Jefferson states the role of the federal and state governments. It deserves to be noted.
It's irrelevant to the quote I posted. The speaks generically of constitutions. He's saying that while yes, we should be prudent and not rashly upend institutions, "prudence dictates, etc", we should realize constitutions are not divinely inspired, and sometimes corrections are advisable. It applies to ANY constitution.
Thanks. I strated it and clearly it will take more time than I have right now. Have to go to work.
I find that I have to study the writings more than read them. I must disect each sentence to get its meaning. I wish I could write the way these guys did.
In respect for these writings, I will light a fire in the fireplace tomorrow afternoon and take a couple of hours sitting by the fire and reading this letter. Oh wait, when are the Chargers playing?
The truth never dies...
Do we not have these great minds in our country today? Or have they all been rotted, as with the rest of our society, with asinine distraction over Tiger Woods’ sexual escapades or how many times Paris Hilton is locked up in a drunk tank?
Our founders were great men, but they were still men. I say that not to be derisive, but only as a reflection of my admiration for them and how they accomplished so much while dealing with and overcoming many of the very same faults and foibles that we all have.
You might enjoy doing some quick research for some of William T. Sherman's quotes regarding his opinions of journalists and the medias :-)
I love Benjamin Franklin’s comparisons of the press and a tribunal. Even back then, he portrayed the reporters as a bunch of crybabies.
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