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Posted on 01/08/2010 6:18:55 AM PST by MestaMachine
Yes.
Thankfully it is a bit away from us.
One hour travel time or so.. I think.
I will side with Marlowe on this one with some holdbacks.
First, we must not violate the free expression clause for one, because someone will find a reason to violate it against me. Once you’ve made and opening, you’ve made an opening.
Holdback #1 - This must not be connected to profiling terrorists. Profiling is a legitimate means of determining security risks for everything from airplane flights to top secret clearances. Just because Abdul gets to pray on his rug does not mean I am not allowed to investigate Abdul for Jihadist ties.
Holdback #2 - Free expression must not be connected to subversion of law due to any Islamic religious desire to institute Sharia law in local or regional communities, nor should it be connected to any subversion to replace our form of government with any type of caliphate or anything else.
Are you a man?
Islam is a form of government. They WILL take over from within.
The Founders would not recognize their creation anymore.
I spent some time around Southport, NC. There's an old church ruin near there at Old Brunswick town. It was built originally around 300 years ago. Now, it is just a monument to some of those who left religious persecution, to come to a better place. My antecedents were Episcopalians, but I worship God now, myself. They've fallen off into homosexuality and open sin.
There were Roman Catholics that came here to one place, and Calvinists and Puritans that landed elsewhere, to escape the trouble brewing in their homelands. They all worshipped God as they saw fit. The original colonies were models of religious enclave. I doubt you would have gotten much agreement on the same matter from them. Many of them were ATHEISTS.
ALL men are created equal. It's not mine to define "men". God did that before we were a spark in our parents mind! Do you wish to promote tyranny and anarchy> I prefer to hang onto what we're got and defend it.
The First Amendment reads:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
From Proud Atheists site, I copied these thoughts. I am a Chrisian, but I was looking for words better than my own...:
The Second Amendment affords us the right to bear arms, but in no way does it require any type of firearms ownership nor is gun ownership a requirement to run for public office.
Our Constitution was written and tailored to afford us personal freedoms, not requirements to submit under peer pressure to conform to religious views and laws.
I'll take it a step further. Attempt to exclude Islam and the bill will die immediately and be replaced with one that restricts Christianity.
But Islam does not recognize our laws at all.
None.
Any muslim who does not follow sharia is a bl;asphemer and ‘worse than an infidel’.
That is what their beliefs are.
You don’t get it.
ISLAM DOES NOT RECOGNIZE THE CONSTITUTION OR LAWS OUTSIDE OF THEIR OWN.
How hard is that to understand?
Really, how hard is that?
and PTN near our military?! major red flags, please post at TM, we will follow it with our crack sleuths
I said, “Send them back. Simple.”
P-Marlowe said, “Back where? I believe that most American Muslims were born here. If there is no country to send them back to, what would you suggest? Rounding them up and putting them in camps?”
Send them back, send them anywhere.
The fact that you ask a question like that, when you have yet to answer the 21 questions listed in http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2423796/posts?page=517#517 means you argue in bad faith.
Like Muslims.
Bad Faith = P-Marlowe.
P-Marlowe asks questions while answering none, scorns and never offers solutions that think past one level, mimics CAIR, puts words in mouths, makes red-herrings, handwaver, evader, avoider, accuser.
P-Marlowe said, “I can’t believe I am reading some of this stuff on FREE REPUBLIC!”
I say, “We need licenses to drive cars, fly planes, and conceal and carry guns. Why should there not be any earthly qualification other than age and a pulse to vote? Do you let your kids drive? Do you let them drink? Do you let them stay out till 3am? You dont? You anti-freedom, anti-constitutional fascist!!! I cant believe you belong to a forum called FREE REPUBLIC! FReepmail me your address so I can sign you up for the newsletter from Tyrants Weekly.”
And it burns, burns, burns, this ring of fire....
As the flames rise higher!
Holdback #2 - Free expression must not be connected to subversion of law due to any Islamic religious desire to institute Sharia law in local or regional communities, nor should it be connected to any subversion to replace our form of government with any type of caliphate or anything else.
No disagreement at all.
Let's remember that there are Americans of European ancestry who openly profess to be satanic. Some believe that satanism allows for human sacrifice. They can BELIEVE that all they want, but when they do it they are breaking the law.
Our objection is to a theocracy getting a foothold in this country. Muslims don't blend. Radicals build their own cities.
You don’t get it.
Islam does not recognize the constitution or laws outside of their own, PERIOD.
WHY is this so hard to understand?
No, I get your intent. I disagree with you vehemently. You wish to take away the rights of ALL Islamists in America, because some wish to pervert our way of life. How exactly do you propose to do that within the framework of the Constitution?
If you stand a Roman Catholic in front of a firing squad, do you think a good Roman Catholic would say of course St. Peter isn't holding the keys? To a Christian, our first allegiance is to God, then man. If that is what you learned as a baby, how can you divest it on a whim? Ask a Catholic to explain that, if you don't understand.
FRiend, you wish to change the Constitution. I don't. It's just got to be restored to it's proper place, then Virginia can send them packing to Missouri, and they can all be shipped to Nome. All it takes is one state to say welcome to all, and to all a good night! That's what the Tenth is all about!
MOST Excellent points!!!
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