BURNIN' DOWN THE TENT!

Do we want action? Yes, we do!!!
Are we willing to take a giant step forward and create a central action site that allows us to see at a glance every single state’s candidates for national office, House and Senate, to separate the wheat from the chaff? That is our hope. We want to spend our money, our time, and our votes wisely. Our time is JUST as valuable as the money we spend.

The goal is to take back and take over the GOP, or move it out of the way, and elect conservatives to every office we can affect whether the RNC likes it or not.
To do this, we need a clearinghouse and a plan of action that encompasses all 50 states in ONE place. That place is Free Republic. THIS is where we nationalize the 2010 election cycle and choose where our money and our time is spent. The genius of Free Republic is that it already has the 50 state message boards. We don’t have to “google” our way through hundreds of candidates in individual states to find out who is who doing what. It’s already here, just not out in the public eye. This will change that.

I, and others, have repeatedly asked Freepers to present workable ideas with this goal in mind, and there have been many, but the two I am going to post here are comprehensive, have been well thought out over a long period of time, and the magic of it is that it has never been tried before...and THAT is precisely why it will work.

Freeper blueyon, (the originator of RINO FREE AMERICA PROJECT on FaceBook,) and I have worked on the idea to have each state message board create individual STATE BY STATE threads on the forum which presents information ONLY about their national congressional candidates.
We need their candidates’ names, pictures, platforms, voting records, (if applicable,) backgrounds, opinions, newslinks, statements, and whatever other information might be available including links to candidate’s’ websites if they exist.
The state message boards are full of much of this information and no one knows local politics like the locals. It’s time to make local politics national, and here is where we do it. Fifty states, fifty threads, ALL politics will be Free Republic Local politics.

Freepers have the best researchers in the business. We need that right here, right now if we are going to burn down the RINO tent and do it effectively. They will NOT be allowed to silence us again.
Those threads will be information only. Conservative candidates will be flagged and RINOs will be tagged. Anyone who wishes to debate or discuss individual candidates can start a separate thread for that here, AND/OR on the RINO FREE discussion board on FaceBook as well.
I expect these threads to become lengthy, so be sure to add the state and candidate's name as keywords.

The SECOND part of this plan is a NATIONAL strategy for accomplishing our goal once we have singled out the candidates we choose to support and gather THOSE candidates on to ONE thread. It is our intent to coordinate efforts with the National Tea Party Movement and have them link to our information as well as share whatever info they might have that we don’t...although I find that next to impossible knowing Freepers. There just might be tidbits of inside information we might not have access to, so contributions from outside Freeperdom will be researched by us FOR us and we will do well not to post rumor or inuendo if we have no proof.

The National Action plan is the sole hard work of a longtime Freeper who has asked to remain anonymous. It is his work and since he first sent it to me, he has updated it several times for the better. I neither take, nor deserve, any credit for it whatsover, and only on that basis did I accept the invitation to present it as I saw fit.

I have opted to make only the smallest changes to his ideas as they seem to me to be the stepstones of the future. However he did specifically ask that any constructive criticisms or additional ideas be sought and wants it known that this is a foundation we can build on. He has added reasons, including some from Scripture, for these ideas which are included in the body of information presented below. Many of you will find them relevant. Those who don’t will still find the ideas themselves worth your time. I am awed by the effort put forth here which is why I have left it pretty much in tact with minimal edits. I think you will be as well.

With that said, and without further adieu, continue on and see what ideas suit you best.

You can get snide if you like but hijacking an FR sponsored activism thread isn't appreciated.

Is Free Republic officially sanctioning the idea that Muslim Mosques out not to be allowed to be built in the United States, or that only people who have paid income taxes should be allowed to vote in elections?

My objection to these proposals is why I posted on the thread. If this is the direction Free Republic is going, i.e. to officially trash the first amendment and deny religious liberty to American Citizens, then I am sorely disappointed in this forum.

But to be quite honest, I don't think Jim Robinson would officially sanction those positions, but the heading on this thread says "(Approved and endorsed by Jim Robinson.)" so the implication is that when the poster of this tread posts a proposed platform for this movement, that the platform he is proposing has the endorsement of Jim Robinson.

I have been critical of these positions because they are the first steps toward tyranny. We are not going to win elections by advocating the wholesale violation of first amendment rights of individuals by advocating that the State take over the role of determining which Religions they are going to allow to be practiced and which religions they are going to outlaw. Maybe you think it is a good idea to limit first amendment rights to certain religious sects only, but I don't. It flies in the face of what I believe this Forum stands for.

13) Think Lebanon. The Christians there were even more pluralistic than you. They are now Dhimmi. Go live there, and tell us how it is. Paul did not invoke 2 Cor. 10:3-5 when he was about to get beat. He spoke up, like we will. 2 Cor. 10:3-5 is not a catch all to substitute for speech and action.

18) You said, “Anyone would lose sleep over that.” You mean that Paul the apostle was worried over non-imminent danger? Don’t you think he’d be sleeping rather than “watching” for people coming to harm him? Don’t you think Paul would have more peace than that?

12) They are out for blood. Surah 9:5 is the tip of the iceberg. Have you read the Qur’an?

19) Handwaving. Give an example of how he deserves such open contempt. Sorry, but the glory of the renown of the brightness of your towering intellect has not circled the earth to reach my ears blue-duncan. Please prove something. Have you read it for yourself or not? Have you read anything of his? If so, what, and show how his thinking is bad. Prove it. Enough handwaving.

The church has the same divorce rate as the world. Since P-Marlowe and blue-duncan wrap your handwaving in Christian rhetoric and scripture citations, I need to see more. Unless you or P-Marlowe start saying things that are stunning and remarkable and insightful, I’m assuming you are average, run of the mill, pew-warming Church goers, maybe even “elders”, as dead as the wood you sit on. Nothing remarkable yet.

Please read http://townhall.com/columnists/MichaelMedved/2008/08/06/foreign_policy_lessons_from_fighting_muslim_pirates?page=full. You will learn the following parallels that apply:

1) The Barbary Pirates were attacked by the Founding Fathers without declaration of war from either side, but we HAVE a declaration of war from Islam, particularly since when Muslims, including those here in the USA, danced at the sight of 9/11. Therefore, sanctimonious declarations that certain people are protecting the Constitution/freedom ring as hollow in this thread as they did when Clinton suffered impeachment.

2) “Islamic enmity toward the US is rooted in the Muslim religion, not recent American policy” given the official response by Sidi Haji Abdrahaman, Ambassador from Tripoli, for the attacks was reported as such, “It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise.” Was the response by Jefferson and Adams, politically correct like yours of the status quo? No. Their response was send the navy, to kill and break. I don’t get “kill and break” from the suggestions in this thread. I get neuter and expel. Way different. The writers of the constitution dealt with Islam way different than our country currently is.

3) Cruel Treatment of enemies by Muslim extremists is a long-standing tradition, but what’s the worst we would do? We’d kick them out. Big deal. If I was a lawyer, a RICO lawsuit would be in order. One of the many items handwaved away by P-Marlowe is a progression of Islamic domination in proportion to their numbers. Persecution of us is coming.

4) “There’s nothing new in far-flung American wars to defend U.S. economic interests”, so how much more should we engage in political action to remove people who by their own admission and users manual (Qur’an) want to desecrate, and subjugate.

“Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore [is] wrath upon thee from before the LORD.”
2 Chronicles 19:2

Are you not loving Islam by defending these ungodly?

P-Marlowe and blue-duncan and wagglebee: What is your plan for dealing with Islam? The status quo is losing ground. You have scorned a plenty. What is your plan to deal with Islam? So far, I see only scorning and mocking. Show us your creativity and wisdom, and show us a plan for dealing with it. Until you give a great plan, you’re just scorners.

>or that only people who have paid income
>taxes should be allowed to vote in elections?

I already made effort to amend and correct in post #124 by calling those sanctioned to vote “Producers” http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2423796/posts?page=124#124 and yet you still throw “paid income taxes” either because you are forgetful and out of your depth, or you are deliberately throwing gas on a fire of your making P-Marlowe. But again, in that post, and in this one, you offer no alternatives. Only scorning.

Here is P-Marlowe in post #124:
>What if you don’t have an income or the money you earn is
>tax free? Should you then be prohibited from voting? Such
>a proposal should not even be suggested on a forum called
>FREE REPUBLIC!

Here is the original material you are commenting on:
>We need a Constitutional Amendment to restrict voting to
>people that have paid taxes for 5 years. They also must
>show a VALID passport and/or driver’s license/photo ID and
>social security #, just like getting a legal job. No
>whining!

Now, the context is, no vote fraud, and please be a tax payer. Whether the writer meant “the last 5 years” or “5 years total” I don’t know. You make it sound like freedom is something that is granted without conjoined responsibilities. Ten year olds should not vote, since they are not responsible. So it should be with people who don’t pay taxes for 5 years whether ever or recently. What I do understand is, irresponsible selfish people who would vote for charlatans who weaken the republic with their giveaways, should not vote.

We need licenses to drive cars, fly planes, and conceal and carry guns. Why should there not be any earthly qualification other than age and a pulse to vote? Do you let your kids drive? Do you let them drink? Do you let them stay out till 3am? You don’t? You anti-freedom, anti-constitutional fascist!!! I can’t believe you belong to a forum called FREE REPUBLIC! FReepmail me your address so I can sign you up for the newsletter from “Tyrant’s Weekly”.

So P-Marlowe, should people who have never paid taxes, and spent their entire lives on public assistance, have a say in how much is spent on public assistance, and thus, have a say in how much you are taxed?

>deny religious liberty to American Citizens

You have yet to respond to the 19 thus far unanswered questions in post #169 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2423796/posts?page=169#169, and #3 is the operative one to address this your point.

3) John Adams said, “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” Do you think he was talking about Muslims who are instructed in their Qur’an to deliberately lie to be in a position to kill as commanded in the Qur’an?

Islam is not moral, it is fascism. You yourself P-Marlowe called it “Satanic” in post #156 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2423796/posts?page=156#156 Thus you want to let “Satanic” people run around unchecked. Does importing them “by the gross” and giving them total freedom, so they can use it to kill and subjugate us, rational?

Do you support profiling of Muslims at airport pre-boarding security yes or no?

You DO realize that Genesis and the beginning of Exodus were BEFORE the Hebrews were given the Commandments at Mt. Sinai...or maybe you don’t.
Before Sinai, there was no such edict.
GOD made a contract with the Hebrews at Sinai. They were given the OPTION there to become GOD’s CHOSEN People. They could have said no, but they didn’t.
Do you even know that many of the slaves who left Egypt with Moses were NOT born Hebrews but had to be circumcised before joining Moses to leave Egypt?
Exodus Chapter 12
43
And HaShem said unto Moses and Aaron: ‘This is the ordinance of the passover: there shall no alien eat thereof;
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but every man’s servant that is bought for money, when thou hast circumcised him, then shall he eat thereof.
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A sojourner and a hired servant shall not eat thereof.
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In one house shall it be eaten; thou shalt not carry forth aught of the flesh abroad out of the house; neither shall ye break a bone thereof.
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All the congregation of Israel shall keep it.
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And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to HaShem, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land; but no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.’
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Thus did all the children of Israel; as HaShem commanded Moses and Aaron, so did they.
51
And it came to pass the selfsame day that HaShem did bring the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt by their hosts
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An entire hodgepodge of differing races and ethnicities began that journey. It was not until Sinai that they willingly accepted the GOD of Israel GOD as their GOD. GOD spoke the Law and the Ordinances which was written down by Moses and OFFERED unto the entire gathering of the People before ANYTHING was written in stone.

Exodus Chapter 20

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And G-d spoke all these words, saying:
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I am HaShem thy G-d, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3
Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.
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Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any manner of likeness, of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
5
thou shalt not bow down unto them, nor serve them; for I HaShem thy G-d am a jealous G-d, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me;
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and showing mercy unto the thousandth generation of them that love Me and keep My commandments.
Chapters 20 through 24 were the SPOKEN ordinances of GOD.
3
And Moses came and told the people all the words of HaShem, and all the ordinances; and all the people answered with one voice, and said: ‘All the words which the L-rd hath spoken will we do.’
4
And Moses wrote all the words of HaShem, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the mount, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.
5
And he sent the young men of the children of Israel, who offered burnt-offerings, and sacrificed peace-offerings of oxen unto HaShem.
6
And Moses took half of the blood, and put it in basins; and half of the blood he dashed against the altar.
7
And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the hearing of the people; and they said: ‘All that HaShem hath spoken will we do, and obey.’
8
And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said: ‘Behold the blood of the covenant, which HaShem hath made with you in agreement with all these words.
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It was a CONTRACT, and the People accepted the terms. They were not forced into it. They were not terrorized into it. They willingly accepted it and agreed to the terms. AFTER they accepted the terms, Moses went up into the Mountain. AFTER they accepted these terms, they built themselves an idol to worship. They BROKE the contract before Moses came down with the tablets.

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And Moses turned, and went down from the mount, with the two tables of the testimony in his hand; tables that were written on both their sides; on the one side and on the other were they written.
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And the tables were the work of G-d, and the writing was the writing of G-d, graven upon the tables..
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The WHOLE thing was carved in stone, not just 10 Commandments. Not just letters like what they show in stupid movies. ALL of it. Moses, in his anger, shattered the tablets. And every single one of them who broke that contract accept for Aaron who made the calf but did not worship it, were killed for it.
Then Moses asked GOD to REDO the tablets. And GOD consented.
Exodus Chapter 34
1
And HaShem said unto Moses: ‘Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first; and I will write upon the tables the words that were on the first tables, which thou didst break.
2
And be ready by the morning, and come up in the morning unto mount Sinai, and present thyself there to Me on the top of the mount.
3
And no man shall come up with thee, neither let any man be seen throughout all the mount; neither let the flocks nor herds feed before that mount.’
4
And he hewed two tables of stone like unto the first; and Moses rose up early in the morning, and went up unto mount Sinai, as HaShem had commanded him, and took in his hand two tables of stone.
And gee, what do you suppose the MOST important FIRST TWO TWO Commandments carved into the stone were?
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1ST and 2ND COMMANDMENTS:
1 I AM THE LORD THY G-D WHO BROUGHT THEE OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT, OUT OF THE HOUSE OF BONDAGE.
THOU SHALT HAVE NO OTHER G-DS BEFORE ME.

2 THOU SHALT NOT MAKE UNTO THEE ANY GRAVEN IMAGE, NOR ANY MANNER OF LIKENESS, OF ANYTHING THAT IS IN THE HEAVEN ABOVE, OR THAT IS IN THE EARTH BENEATH, OR THAT IS IN THE WATER UNDER THE EARTH; THOU SHALT NOT BOW DOWN UNTO THEM, NOR SERVE THEM; FOR I THE LORD THE G-D AM A JEALOUS G-D, VISITING THE INIQUITY OF THE FATHERS UPON THE CHILDREN UNTO THE THIRD AND FOURTH GENERATION THAT HATE ME AND SHOWING MERCY UNTO THE THOUSANDTH GENERATION OF THEM THAT LOVE ME AND KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.
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Now, you have shown yourself to way out of your depth here. It is wiser to be silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it. I warned you, but you just couldn’t admit you have no clue and kept digging and digging until you were in over your head. And still you would not stop. You do not seek knowledge for its sake that you might obtain wisdom. You use what you THINK you know to maliciousnessly attack that which you do not understand.
These are not the values I would want to be known for. You have embarrassed yourself and made a mockery of your own religion just to achieve a hollow victory which would gain you absolutely nothing.
You are a fool. And I do not suffer fools lightly.
In your case, you brought the rope to hang ME and I let you string it out until you tied yourself in too many knots to lasso common sense.
And what has it gained you? No victory, no respect. Nothing.
Bye.

“Now, you have shown yourself to way out of your depth here. It is wiser to be silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it. I warned you, but you just couldn’t admit you have no clue and kept digging and digging until you were in over your head. And still you would not stop. You do not seek knowledge for its sake that you might obtain wisdom. You use what you THINK you know to maliciousnessly attack that which you do not understand.
These are not the values I would want to be known for. You have embarrassed yourself and made a mockery of your own religion just to achieve a hollow victory which would gain you absolutely nothing.
You are a fool. And I do not suffer fools lightly.”

Oh come on, flattery will get you no where.

As I understand your last few attempts to educate me, being ignorant as you say, you seem to believe that the Mosaic covenant, (Exodus 19:5-8), “Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him. And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.”

is the same as the Covenant with Abraham,
Gen 12:1-3, “ Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee: And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.”

Gen 13:14-17, “And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward: For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever. And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, [then] shall thy seed also be numbered. Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it unto thee.”

Gen. 22:17-18, “That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.”

In your understanding does the promised lineage of Messiah begin with Abraham or Sinai?

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