BURNIN' DOWN THE TENT!!!
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Posted on 01/08/2010 6:18:55 AM PST by MestaMachine
BURNIN' DOWN THE TENT!!!
Do we want action? Yes, we do!!!
Are we willing to take a giant step forward and create a central action site that allows us to see at a glance every single state’s candidates for national office, House and Senate, to separate the wheat from the chaff? That is our hope. We want to spend our money, our time, and our votes wisely. Our time is JUST as valuable as the money we spend.
The goal is to take back and take over the GOP, or move it out of the way, and elect conservatives to every office we can affect whether the RNC likes it or not.
To do this, we need a clearinghouse and a plan of action that encompasses all 50 states in ONE place. That place is Free Republic. THIS is where we nationalize the 2010 election cycle and choose where our money and our time is spent. The genius of Free Republic is that it already has the 50 state message boards. We don’t have to “google” our way through hundreds of candidates in individual states to find out who is who doing what. It’s already here, just not out in the public eye. This will change that.
I, and others, have repeatedly asked Freepers to present workable ideas with this goal in mind, and there have been many, but the two I am going to post here are comprehensive, have been well thought out over a long period of time, and the magic of it is that it has never been tried before...and THAT is precisely why it will work.
Freeper blueyon, (the originator of RINO FREE AMERICA PROJECT on FaceBook,) and I have worked on the idea to have each state message board create individual STATE BY STATE threads on the forum which presents information ONLY about their national congressional candidates.
We need their candidates’ names, pictures, platforms, voting records, (if applicable,) backgrounds, opinions, newslinks, statements, and whatever other information might be available including links to candidate’s’ websites if they exist.
The state message boards are full of much of this information and no one knows local politics like the locals. It’s time to make local politics national, and here is where we do it. Fifty states, fifty threads, ALL politics will be Free Republic Local politics.
Freepers have the best researchers in the business. We need that right here, right now if we are going to burn down the RINO tent and do it effectively. They will NOT be allowed to silence us again.
Those threads will be information only. Conservative candidates will be flagged and RINOs will be tagged. Anyone who wishes to debate or discuss individual candidates can start a separate thread for that here, AND/OR on the RINO FREE discussion board on FaceBook as well.
I expect these threads to become lengthy, so be sure to add the state and candidate's name as keywords.
The SECOND part of this plan is a NATIONAL strategy for accomplishing our goal once we have singled out the candidates we choose to support and gather THOSE candidates on to ONE thread. It is our intent to coordinate efforts with the National Tea Party Movement and have them link to our information as well as share whatever info they might have that we don’t...although I find that next to impossible knowing Freepers. There just might be tidbits of inside information we might not have access to, so contributions from outside Freeperdom will be researched by us FOR us and we will do well not to post rumor or inuendo if we have no proof.
The National Action plan is the sole hard work of a longtime Freeper who has asked to remain anonymous. It is his work and since he first sent it to me, he has updated it several times for the better. I neither take, nor deserve, any credit for it whatsover, and only on that basis did I accept the invitation to present it as I saw fit.
I have opted to make only the smallest changes to his ideas as they seem to me to be the stepstones of the future. However he did specifically ask that any constructive criticisms or additional ideas be sought and wants it known that this is a foundation we can build on. He has added reasons, including some from Scripture, for these ideas which are included in the body of information presented below. Many of you will find them relevant. Those who don’t will still find the ideas themselves worth your time. I am awed by the effort put forth here which is why I have left it pretty much in tact with minimal edits. I think you will be as well.
With that said, and without further adieu, continue on and see what ideas suit you best.
Suggestion for John:
Perhaps John could put a sidebar on the state pages that would list every candidate running in that state and which would be a link to that State’s election thread.
Just a thought.
RT
Fine.
I have some goats without spot or blemish for sale next time you need one.
You obviously didn’t read what I said about Muslims. I strongly believe in freedom of religion in this country, including whatever they want to read, believe, and wherever they want to worship. But our law also prohibits anyone, even under cover of religion, from plotting to kill me. So it seems to me that the neighborhood mosque needs some close monitoring by law enforcement.
After all, I have no problem letting police join me in my worship. Happens all the time.
On the other hand, you might have a problem if you’re still sacrificing those Old Testament bulls . . .
From your post to John’s eyes and maybe this is possible?
Even back then they knew....
I did read it, but I had made the same point in a previous post. Just because someone has a religious belief does not give them the right to practice that belief, if in the practice you break Civil or Criminal laws or your practice interferes with someone else's rights, safety or liberty. We are on the same page here, my FRiend.
On the other hand, you might have a problem if you’re still sacrificing those Old Testament bulls . . .
Have you visited the chicago stockyards?
BFL
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I’m a big tent republican.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1821435/posts?page=6245#6245
Here’s an analogy to work with. Take a small box and fill it with some rocks. Then add some rice, filling it to the top. Now take all the same stuff, but in a different order. Put in the rice first, then add the rocks. What you’ll find is that if you put in the big stuff first, the small stuff will fit around it. But if you put in the small stuff first, the big stuff won’t have room. The republican tent is the box. The Big issues are the socon issues, to be put in first. The little issues are things that can be accommodated around the bigger stuff. A candidate who tries to focus on the smaller issues first and leave out the bigger issues has no way of getting all of us into the tent. He splits the party. The candidate who gets the big stuff right and as much of the little stuff that will fit, he can fit more into the tent. We’re often amazed at how much rice can keep fitting in. Rudy Giuliani flunks some of the big issues, and on some of the little issues it looks to me like anyone else’s rice would do just as well. All that remains for us to agree on is which are the bedrock principles and which are not. Why would there be so much invective aimed at rudy from the right? Because there are some bedrock principles that he is leaving out. Bad move. I see rudybot postings all the time saying that they would vote for Hunter, and I see socon postings that say they would not vote for rudy. That’s a BIG indicator of a few bedrock principles that are being left outside the tent in order to let in some rice.
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>LEGAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL position
Given Islam competes with the Constitution for allegiance and supremacy, it is treason.
>I felt were irrelevant religious questions which I have no
>intention of answering
You make great intellectual claims, and you are too holy to respond to objections? Sounds like handwaving. Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handwaving
>Judeo-Christian tradition has some elements that we might
>find objectionable too
Did you read the Bible for yourself, or did you copy and paste those quotes?
>I will repeat myself. If you think that the way to make
>America better ...
Please, tell us how to oppose Islam effectively. The current plan of capitulation, and begging, and letting them build mosques, and breed, and bully, is a failure.
>we shouldn’t be broadening our focus
You want to ignore Islam?
>I will not be silenced by you on this thread
You’re right. We can’t silence you. But given you engage in handwaving, while pretending to put forth intellectual arguments given you refuse to respond directly to challenges, and instead list out of context Bible quotes that apply only to the nation of Israel, all while claiming to be the solitary holder of truth, all while you’ve been utterly outclassed ... you also you can’t silence me either.
Say what you want going forward. :)
From post #10 ...
“Watch out for people who offering no alternative, scorn and mock this plan. I am not perfect, and this plan is not perfect, and I expect mistakes to be pointed out. Mistakes will then be corrected. But PATRIOTS, will bring superior solutions to the table, and will constructively work for unity. Others will want to divide, and draw people after them. “From such, turn away.””
What alternative do you offer, other than the ineffective status quo? So far, you are the very brand of empty conceit we have been warned about.
>Even back then they knew....
Evil then, evil now.
“If it bleeds, we can kill it.”
- Dutch, “Predator”, 1987
I didn’t read the entire long platform.
What I like is the idea that one can glean who’s a RINO and who’s not, on a state-by-state level first. However, I never know where to find the State board, and when I find it, there is never much more than trivia on there. I like to access FR through the “latest Posts” page. I like to pop n quickly to FR. Could there be a way to access one’s (or all) state pages from the Latest Posts page? (Or is there already a way and I am too dumb to have spotted it?)
I always give time or bucks to good candidates. Ready to do my little part.
OK
Powerful post...
Saturday morning bump.
Given that my highest allegiance is to Christ, above all else, does that make me a traitor?
I'm missing something . . . please clarify this, since the numbers don't add up and they're critical to the argument.
I have concerns about some points, such as religious freedom. Islam troubles me on many levels, and I have trouble viewing it as just a religion. Unfortunately, once Sharia law comes into the picture, it ceases to be a private matter affecting only those who practice it. I won't go on, as we all know the issues. Still, I can't go along with banning its peaceful practice, and can't support constraining religious freedom - as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others. As a society, we need to find a better way to deal with the latter issue. Restricting immigration may certainly be part of the answer. I'd like to see a great reduction in immigration overall, as I think we're being swamped with more people than we can assimilate - no matter what their origins.
I also disagree with the section about not permitting people to vote if they haven't paid taxes in 5 years. I guess this educated mom who stays home to raise her kids is now ineligible to vote - at least in someone's eyes. I can't go along with that. I have issues with people who don't contribute to the treasury voting themselves money from the treasury, so I understand where the sentiment comes from. I don't agree with the solution. Citizens have the right to choose leadership. The bigger issue in my mind is that corrupt leaders blatantly buy votes and don't get called on it. Educating our fellow citizens and replacing corrupt legislators is the proper goal, not restricting citizens' rights to vote.
I see a lot to like in this approach. I'm already doing more than this, as many of us have been. Making the outreach to others and commitment of time and money explicit is a good idea, and local coordination and action are spot on.
Please work on clarifying the section on federal elections. The numbers are confusing, and we really need to make a crisp argument here or we'll lose people. As a minor point, it's helpful when quoting scripture to include the text. It isn't always convenient to go look it up, and while I read my Bible, I don't have it memorized.
I'll look forward to seeing version 2.0, once a few bugs are worked out. I see you offered some new links which I haven't checked. I had trouble with a few of the links in the document, so presumably these are now being fixed. I'm thinking about which friends to enlist. I would like to see more thought put into the religious freedom and voting rights, as well as the financial bits though. If I pass along a document which comes across as infringing on liberty, it undercuts our valuable message and risks backfiring.
Click “account” and a menu will appear. Click MY LOCALE to find your state board. If you have a state flag on your profile page, click IT. It will take you directly to your state board.
You are right. The numbers don’t add up. It should be 100 million people, $4 a year = $400,000,000 ($400 million.) I think maybe the author added an extra zero in there.
Given THAT, if 100 million people put in $40 a year, which is less than the price of one carton of cigarettes or a couple of cases of beer, we could make that $4 billion easy.
I didn’t check the figures. I apologize. It has been a lot of work to try and get this together, and I appreciate all the help I can get. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.
Again, I appeal to the state boards to check in. We need you guys!
Once we get as much input as we can, we will start a new thread with all the glitches worked out. But the clock is ticking on us. We have to put forth some serious efort here.
The religious freedom issue has really not been addressed to the full extent it should be. The bedrock of this country is that we are free to believe and practice whatever religion, (or non-religion,) we so choose without state mandates OR interference, so long as that religion does not infringe on the rights of others.
That is where it goes off the tracks. What actually qualifies as a religion? And where do you draw the line when it infringes on the rights of others? Does sheer numbers matter?
This issue is not going to be clarified here. Suffice it to say that the Constitution has been perverted to allow that which it never meant. THAT is what we need to clarify.
You are right on the money. And you said it much better than I did.
It seems that some conservatives are willing to exercise tyranny as easily as the Liberals are doing it.
Our focus should be on taking power away from the Central Government and not just changing the emphasis of tyranny tfrom one on the left to one on the right.
FWIW every person in America, if they so much as buy a gallon of gas or turn on a light at home is a "taxpayer". So if you try to limit the voting right to those who pay taxes, then what is meant by that? Income taxes? What if you don't have an income or the money you earn is tax free? Should you then be prohibited from voting? Such a proposal should not even be suggested on a forum called FREE REPUBLIC!
This thread and this movement may be a "work in progress" but I don't particularly like the direction it is headed. Is it our aim to overturn tyranny from the left only to replace it with a tyranny from the right? Some of these proposals appear to be leaning that direction.
Rather than focusing on a platform that limits our freedoms of religion, our voting rights and our free speech rights, perhaps we should be focusing on how we can remove the power to regulate ANY aspect of our lives from the Central Government and returning that power to the States, the communities, and to the Individuals. That is the principle this nation was founded upon. That is the first principle of a FREE REPUBLIC.
Given Islam competes with the Constitution for allegiance and supremacy, it is treason.
Given that my highest allegiance is to Christ, above all else, does that make me a traitor?
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Total non-sequitor red-herring. You still have yet to answer nine questions in posts 76 and 77.
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